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Marlboro has a tough EDP schedule against East Brunswick and Princeton this weekend and next. If they do not play a level above they may be w/o a win until late October?
A lot of State Cup upsets this weekend! Den of Lions put the bite on the 3 time reigning state cup champ. I guess they aren't really #2 anymore! Stallions Gunners beat TSF and Black Dawgs defeat PDA Rooney (really not a surprise for anyone who has seen both teams) and lastly Ironbound beats Westfield.
There were a lot of upsets in EDP too. TSF defeats PDA Rooney. Black Dawgs beat Gottschee at home and Marlboro travels to East Brunswick and wins. It is getting tougher and tougher to pick NJ's best.
It is interesting that the 2 best KICK n RUN teams, Black Dawgs and Princeton Black, are at the top of the EDP 1st table and on track for state cup (except they meet each other before the finals) while East Brunswick and RDA Rooney do not even have a single EDP win (PDA already out of state cup).
We will see if EBSC can get their first win against the Black Dawgs this weekend. Is #3 really better than #12? I have my doubts. EBSC will have to handle the biggest forward in the state and constant play over the top.
Brackets are out for YMS. In the Elite (2nd) flight Princeton Tottenham has a good shot to make the finals if they get by FASA . In the top Championship bracket, Princeton Black looks to have their hands full at the group stage with Pachuca. Tough draw!
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Regarding the EDP Cup, there appear to be 53 U14 teams who have applied right now. So how many will get in (at any level) and how many will either have to look elsewhere or take the weekend off?
Up until yesterday I had the impression that only 24 would be accepted, But today a little birdie told me it will more than twice that many. Don't be too surprised to see 7 different U14 flights at Tuckahoe over Columbus Day!
Yes, they are an extreme Kick 'n Run team all right. And they are very good at it.
I know that a direct style of play is frequently discounted as useless from a development perspective. But they said the same things about Milburn for years and a couple of their former players have managed to move on to exciting new opportunities.
Similarly, I'd say there are a couple of Black Dawgs who could easily have great futures with the game.
I see that FASA's most recent results on Got Soccer aren't very impressive. Still, I'll be surprised if either Princeton Tottenham or Mt. Olive get passed them at YMS.
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Don't forget about the coveted Parsippany Pride tournament. Should see a rematch of Parsippany vs NJ Stallions. After Parsippany wins you'll need to adjust your predictions.
It looks like the point of that list is to predict GS point totals by the end of the year. And if that's the case, then it may not be all that stupid. Gottschee had a very productive spring and almost all of their current points were earned in 2013. So they don't have many that will expire before the year's end. And if they add another few thousand this fall, they have a very good chance of topping the GS list by December. Other top teams will need to earn points this fall just to maintain their current rankings. Gottschee could lose every game they have left this fall and still be near the top.
Marlboro in the top flight for NJ teams? No offense, but last weekend's win aside..they're really pretty disorganized and not that great a team. I expect they will go winless at EDP Cup.
The 1st Platinum flight at EDP Cup looks kind of weak FSA aside. I think most of the 2nd Gold flight would beat 7 of the 8 teams in the Platinum group. Most Platinum teams really aren't as strong lately as their point totals suggest. I don't know. Looks to me like Gold is the best flight at the tourney!
I think you still keep missing the point on the "stupid" list as I believe it was intended to predict point totals by the end of the season. If Princeton Black and/or EB don't earn some points over the Labor Day weekend, Gottschee will pass by them on the GS list. And with the 3rd flight at EDP still worth 9,000 points, being placed there probably helps Gottschees's chances of earning some more themselves. I'm not saying I think they will place at the EDP Cup. Just that the competition EB and Marlboro will face in the 2nd flight looks a lot tougher to me with the reward being only marginally higher.
I think Princeton Black has a good shot at YMS. But Pachuca can definitely be troublesome. And they'd probably have to win there to keep ahead of Gottschee.
So perhaps you think GotSoccer is stupid and if so, I'm not going to argue with you. But the list above (which included estimated point totals) may turn out to be a lot closer than you think by the year's end.
There are a few flightings at the EDP Cup I think are off the mark. But the strangest one to me is Hockessin in the 2nd flight. This team has lost their last 8 matches in ranked events and you have to go back 12 matches to find a win (in June). Sure, their competition has been very good. But I think there are at least a couple of third flight teams with better resumes of late.
NYSC Fewster & FSA are better than us, the rest are arguable. Although the NJ teams are possibly misflighted it's hardly ridiculous. More interesting, how come Princeton Black are chasing Patriot in PA rather than play EDP Cuo? Parent agenda finally shone through?
I don't think the flights are ridiculous either. But there are a couple of placements I'd have done differently. Not sure where you're from but I'm from NJ and really don't have any major concerns about where the NJ teams ended up.
As I said before, I really think that Hockessin is more deserving of the 3rd flight (which is still a very good one) based on their recent inability to win any big games.
But overall, I'd say the flights are fine and that it will require some very good soccer against high quality opposition to win any of the top 3 groups.
FSA looks on paper like they are a level above like NYSC last year. Would like to see them play at EDP Cup. NYSC and Fewster are still really good, but not the same teams as a year ago. Not as imposing.
I agree...all of the top 3 flights will take a lot of good soccer to win. No easy road.
STATE CUP- It turns out Marlboro actually isn't that good. They lose to DenofLions. Princeton Black just sneaks by Ironbound and the Black Dawgs appear to be on a roll and looking like the favorite for stet cup champs. Thought Princeton-EBSC match was a cup finals preview a couple weeks back. It looks more like tomorrow's match between EBSC and Haddonfield will be the finals preview. GO DAWGS!
I'll take a shot that at least one of them gets out of their group. But I'm not confident enough in any of them to go out a the limb by picking who it will be. If forced, I'd take a stab on Princeton Black.
Just guessing (hoping) that at least one of them shows up and/or gets lucky.
In other words, I'm afraid you may be right on the money but just don't want to believe it.
Marlboro drew with Princeton Black today. Anyone can have a weak day every now and then. That's the risk of a single elimination tourney like state cup.
go dawgs. I guess the bulldog lost its bark today at EBSC. That's what happens when a better quality team meets kick n run. GO EBSC!
Both sit at the top half of EDP 1st Central though and that's pretty good. The lesser quality teams are dropping like flies and some names are a surprise. Last week PDA Rooney took a knockout punch and this week Gottschee goes down for the 10 count. So much for the academy names! Barely halfway into the season, it is virtually impossible for either to break into the top half of league standings by season end.
The last EDP 1st game of the weekend was a nice rebound for Marlboro after a state cup upset. They push with Princeton Black. Who said they aren't any good? Down in 2nd divisions Westfield loses to Revolution United by a goal and they are now bouncing along the bottom of North group standings. Stallions 99/00 hold onto 2nd in Central with a couple draws. Good luck to all NJ teams next weekend!
How funny would that be if Den of Lions won state cup? Nobody ...and I mean nobody except their own parents are even giving them a chance or talking about them. This is a cinderella team that isn't even in EDP! #39 in NJ. ...in the National Series state cup semis!
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It may walk like a duck and talk like a duck, but just because YMS is smaller than EDP Cup doesn't make it easier for Black. They have to get past Pachuca in the group stage and Pachuca has started off the fall on fire. Quite a bounce back from the drudging they took from Gottschee Roma. Should be interesting.
Marlboro bounce back? #1 in NJ? They do realize they lost to a MAPS team in state cup. They only have one athletic player and little else. No kids on their team invited to the U14 National team camp in Carson, CA. Ugly soccer and easy to beat. I like their goalie though. So make that 2 players.
Time for a little whining about referees (as if we don't hear enough of this already!)
Twice in the past couple of months I've seen cases where a referee whistled a foul on a defender whose denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity met all the points required to red card the player. Yet in both cases the referee decided not to follow through on this and issued yellow cards instead.
I understand that referees try not to be harsh with U14 boys (for the most part). But I'd say this age group is now old enough to have the Laws of the Game properly enforced. Even the tough ones.
A lot of changes to the U14 leader board today. Princeton Black drops to #4. How did they lose 9K points? SFL regains #1 ranking in NJ just ahead of Gottschee Roma. EBSC stays #3. SJEB and TSF deservingly in top 10. Haddonfield Black Dawgs drop to #19.
This is silly? On one hand, the Black Dawgs are really top 5 and Princeton Black is just as good today as yesterday. On the other, SFL is a shadow of the team from spring and are probably not top 10 quality let alone #1. Gottschee has had a weak start to fall. What is going on?
Got Soccer removed the points gained at this time last year? Probably Columbus weekend tournament points? Those teams that made huge jumps with good results last year will need to do the same again this year., the system isn't perfect but it diodes reward you for being consistent and not just chasing points over short periods of time.
He's either just a wind up merchant or too thick to grasp the GotSoccer concept.
"Your team will be out of top 10 by spring."
While they're not "my team," Gottschee Roma has over 8,000 GS points that won't expire until the middle of June, 2014. So they will almost certainly stay in the GS top 10 for NJ throughout the spring, even if they don't win another single match until then. Get it?
The response below is correct. Columbus Day was a week earlier last year and PB had about 8,000 points they won then expire.
Got Soccer's rankings reflect a team's results over the past 12 months equally. So they don't give more weight to more recent results and points drop off instantly once a year passes.
I'm glad you didn't bring up "last man" rule like so many whining parents who don't know that isn't the criteria anymore and there isn't even a definition of the last man. Maybe the referee was enforcing the rule properly?
The rule allows the referee to judge if the situation was an "obvious goal opportunity". It prohibits him from issuing a red card (even if he thinks it obvious to him) unless it was an offence resulting in DK or PK that meets 4 additional points. If any point isn't met then no red card. If all points are met it still doesn't mean the ref has to issue red. Maybe your refs decided it wasn't obvious.
Let's just say that the goal scoring opportunities I witnessed were extremely obvious and that the only reasonable explanation for the referees failing to send the players off was that they just didn't want to red card kids who weren't guilty of either violent conduct or serious dissent.
I can recall an age when calling improper throw-ins was considered too harsh because the kids were too young and I'd say I saw similar sentiment from the referees in both of these cases.
GotSoccer's method of having points expire after a year is at least an attempt to make sure outdated success has no bearing on the current rankings. But I can't imagine it would take too much more programming effort to significantly improve their ranking's relevance with a more comprehensive approach toward weighting points based on their age. Here's an example of how this might work.
If a team earns 5,000 points on November 1, they would keep all of them for three months, through the end of January. Then on Feb, 1, GS would deduct 10% of this award (500 points in this case) and the team's new total for that November win would be reduced to 4,500. This process would continue each month with another 10% of the original award dropping off on the award anniversary until the final 500 points expire on November 1 of the following year.
By better weighting of points based on their age, GS rankings would better reflect the current state of an age group. Points earned 11 months ago can hardly be considered as important as those won last month. And this type of approach would eliminate the sudden drops like we saw with Princeton Black this week.
Heck, why not roll those points off continuously otherwise there will still be drops? I do not think GS is as programmatic as you believe otherwise they could do it by the second. Anyone watching EB and Marlboro would know they recently made a mistake on this very thing and had to correct it. Besides, who says #4 isn't about right for Princeton Black? Are you sure they are better than EBSC, Black Dawgs, Gottschee?
Columbus Day weekend...let's take a look starting at the highest flight.
YMS Cup: Championship bracket. Princeton Black...recently fallen from #1 in NJ...runs into a buzzsaw at 8AM Saturday against another EDP 1st leader, Pachuca, who is 5-0 and rolling through opponents. This is a MUST win match for Black. They could be going home w/o any points before they even eat breakfast. Things don't get too much better as they then probably face their old club mates Patriot Red who they have never defeated. Fortunately, Red has been a little up and down this fall. Things won't get easier in the finals either. Prediction: Black is out in the group stage.
Elite bracket. Also features a Princeton FC team...Tottenham. This one is harder to predict, but until Mount Olive loses I will go with their long win streak and great showing against solid teams at Lou Ramos. Prediction: Mt Olive make it to the finals and Tottenham look for 2nd in the group. It may come down to Sunday between them.
EDP Cup: No NJ teams in the top Platinum flight. EB and Marlboro play the 2nd Gold flight. I like EB's chances a lot better although it will be a tough path for both. If Black runs into a buzzsaw, Marlboro might just become the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Saturday they go against 2 teams from NH and FL. I'll take a wild guess. Any team traveling that far must be thinking they can win and these teams include a semi-finalist at US Youth Regionals against all the region's state cup champs and a semi-finalist at the NPL Championship against all the best academy teams in the country. If these teams were in our area they would surely collect a ton of points and be in 1st flight. Sunday offers no respite either for Marlboro against the Calverton Cerritos. I predict an 0-3 weekend for Marlboro.
EBSC has a much easier path by comparison. DE Rush/Hockessin and World Class NPL are still good teams, but not what they were last year. Both are racking up the losses against this level of competition this fall. EBSC looks likely to at least get 2nd in the group. Their challenge will come against Gottschee Blue sporting a few players just called up to national team camp. Blue is hitting on all cylinders and will be a tough challenge for EBSC. I predict EBSC finishes 2nd in their group, but it will be close!
EDP Cup cont'd The 3rd Silver flight sports 4 NJ teams and about the same value as the top two oddly enough. On one side is Haddonfield Black Dawgs and NJ Stallions Gunners. On the other is Gottschee Roma and Soccer For Life (old Millburn). DUSC Sao Paolo is extremely weak this season. The Gunners usually show very well, but fall short and I expect the same as the Dawgs are likely to overpower the group. They have the easiest draw among top NJ teams at any tournament this weekend and seem to be a shoe-in for the finals on Monday. LVU could possibly give them a hiccup, but it could also be a 4 or 5 goal Dawgs win.
The other side, Bracket 1, kicks off with NJ #1 SFL taking on NJ #2 Gottschee Roma. SFL has so far this fall looked to be a shadow of the 3 time state cup champ, but you never know what guests will appear. Don't count them out, but I still would predict Roma to win that one. A draw may even be a win for SFL! Even if they are fortunate the Titans run right into Yonkers United who is fresh off wins against USA #3 Dix Hills and #4 NYSC. Yonkers looks to be the team to beat in the Silver flight. Gottschee are a little fortunate to face them on Sunday in a game that could decide who goes to play the Dawgs on Monday. Unfortunately, the Forrest Gump Roma team is too much like a box of chocolates. You never know what you will get inside. I predict Yonkers moves on to win the whole Silver flight while Roma finishes 2nd in their group and the Dawgs make it to the finals.
EDP Cup Premier & Parsippany Pride: A bunch of teams in the 4th EDP Premier flight too. Ironbound, SJEB, Westfield and TSF. Ironbound is the highest ranked, but SJEB will probably knock them off in the last game on Saturday. SJEB should go onto the finals to face TSF who looks to be the strongest team in this flight. I predict an all NJ finals and a TSF Premier flight win, but something about this whole flight gives me a feeling upsets are bound to happen.
Over at the Pride, the path to the finals for NJ Stallions 99/00 and Parsippany Crew are actually probably easier than the Black Dawgs draw, but that is no surprise. There won't be much in the way of points, but this should be an interesting finals match against two teams that look good this fall and have a history of duking it out in close matches. Prediction: The crew are champs.
Rolling points off continuously was pretty much my thought.
Their current programming calculates flight values, team awards and bonus points. And it then deletes them all at once when the expiration date arrives. So my idea is to delete them in portions over time instead.
And I mentioned Princeton Black only as an example because they recently dropped a huge chunk of points overnight. If my idea was implemented they my have already dropped out of the top spot by this week. Or maybe they'd still be there based on the periodic point deductions other teams would have.
To put it simply, I'm just saying that 5,000 points won 10-12 months ago shouldn't be as valuable as 5,000 points won last month.
I would agree that Parsippany are the most likely NJ team to earn some points this weekend. Other than that, I'm not feeling too good about any of them.
Wow! What a day. At YMS, Princeton is already out after a tough scoreless draw with Pachuca. East Brunswick is also out after a disappointing loss to Hockessin Rush on an early PK. Marlboro started off well and is mathematically in it still, but unlikely to advance or even get 2nd in their bracket. They would have to beat Calverton tomorrow and hope the New Hampshire team loses. Both Calverton and NHPSA are huge and the class of the Gold flight. It is a shame one of the two will not advance to play Gottschee Blue in the finals who I expect to defeat Hockessin tomorrow.
Back to NJ and the Silver flight SFL is also out of it. Who said the top 5 in NJ would not get out group stage? Well they may be wrong because Gottschee Roma replaced SFL as the NJ #1 U14B team today and can go through to the finals with a win tomorrow. It will be a tough one because like Calverton and most of the Platinum flight, Yonkers Utd. is HUGE! The big surprise in the other bracket is the Stallions Gunners who have it in their power as well to win and move onto the finals.
TSF fell flat in the Premier flight, but it looks like Westfield or SJEB will be going to the finals from the other bracket. In Parsippany, the Crew and the Stallions 99/00 continue on a predictable course to the finals. Did I miss anyone? PDA Jinky and NJ Force are in battles on either side of the Royal flight. Good luck to all those still standing!
I did leave one out. Princeton Tottenham. Sorry. They must have read the prediction about Mt Olive above and don't deserve to be missed after today's performance. Good luck tomorrow.
Saw Princeton Blacks 2nd game today. If that's their standard then there is no way they advance in State Cup. They barely created a chance and forced everything through one player. It would be shame if they were NJs representatives at Regionals!
How does EBSC lose to Hockessin Rush and then draw with Gottschee Blue? I'm guessing the individual matchups are favorable for EBSC against Blue. Can't really explain any other way. I know I should not isolate any individual players, but Blue has a fast, stout, strong striker called up to national team camp and United has a fast, stout, strong defender to match. Both are great players. Any color? The next couple days should be some fun soccer in the Gold flight.
Good day on Saturday for the NJ "G-Men" as both Gottschee and the Gunners won their two games in the Silver flight. It would be great to see them in an al NJ final there this afternoon but that may just be wishful thinking.
I love to have a god laugh at myself! After all my whining about Hockessin being placed in the 2nd flight, it looks like they've made the final there after beating Gottschee Blue!
Shows you what I know!
And congrats to the Gunners who appear to be the only NJ team in a big points flight to make the final!
Seriously, the Gunners did well, but the finals will not be pretty. Then again the Yonkers game before it wasn't pretty either. Those kids are HUGE and a little violent.
All top 5 NJ teams get knocked out in their group stage! ...and October 3 10:13AM...could you be more wrong.
Meanwhile, in Parsippany, the Crew took the Stallions 1-0 in the final. So they both got at least one competitive match over the weekend.
I know it's their own tournament, but it would be nice to see Parsippany take on better competition more often, That NPL league they own is not very good either.
Here's something to keep an eye on. GotSoccer is currently showing only 2,400 registered U14 teams nationally. This number had been up around the 4,000 mark for a long time now.
Maybe they're just doing some housekeeping and this total will return to about what it was before the weekend. But if not, it will decrease the values for a number of the flights when this weekends awards are made.
Parsippany did not beat the Stallions 99/00 1-0 as reported on the Parsippany home tournament page. They beat the 99/00 0-0 on PK's. The fact is that they won after two Golden Goal overtimes on PK's. The score was 0-0 with a win on PK's. The Stallions 99/00's played with 10 men for the final 10 minutes of regular time and ten minutes of overtimes. There were literally at least 10 yellow cards handed out throughout the match with a Stallions player collecting two for the red.
Are we talking about last spring's state cup match or was that how it played out today? I don't think Stallions had only 10 men last spring so that must be today. How weird!
EBSC had most of the possession and while these two teams usually play close matches, the result does not reflect the stronger team. Two minutes left in the game and the Gotschee forward takes a dive in the penalty box. The referee calls a PK and Gotschee ties the match.
SJEB won! NJ won something! Okay, so it was 4th flight at EDP. But still, good for them! At least Parsippany isn't the only NJ Champ this weekend.
Assuming 1,600 U14 teams didn't drop out of the GotSoccer database over the weekend, here's what I would expect the new NJ Top 10 to look like once the weekend's points are awarded. This might be different if there really are just 2,400 U14 teams registered with GS at this point.
1 / BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99 2 / SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS 3 / EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC 4 / PRINCETON FC BLACK 5 / MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE 6 / NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS 7 / SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99 8 / IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS 9 / PDA ROONEY 10 / TSF ACADEMY
I'm pretty sure 1-0 is the proper way to report a PK win (assuming the score at full time was 0-0). I think they add 1 goal to the winning team's score when reporting it. So of the match was 2-2 at full time, the final result would be reported as 3-2.
Sometimes you see the results of the PK totals recorded which is definitely not the way to do it.
This is an interesting topic. If the coach was re-carded and refused to leave, then I think the referee should have abandoned the match. And if this is correct, the EDP Cup rules say the Tournament Committee will review abandoned games on a case-by-case basis in the section on forfeits.
So maybe Yonkers should have been forced to forfeit the game because the coach refused to leave?
I've only seen wins on PK's reported as goals scored during regulation play or in the case above 0-0. As an example with a bit of irony one can go back to spring 2012 State Cup where Parsippany and the same Stallions played to the same result 0-0. There it is reported as 0-0 with the win of course going to the victor Parsippany. I'm sure that it is probably handled a variety of ways however.
Sounds like sour grapes from a Gottschee parent? Come on. The Yonkers team scored 2 goals and you did not. They’re coached by a professional, celebrity player with a well known name in USA soccer; Winston Buddle father of Edson Buddle national team representative and current pro player. They win and deserve to be congratulated in my open letter to Buddle below. I would not normally mention any individual, but our kids were in awe of who he was and even a parent or two a little smitten and there is not question Winston’s exploits are most deserving of attention.
Dear Winston Buddle,
It was a joy watching you in action today demonstrating the proper values for our 13 year olds in this beautiful game and teaching our impressionable, potential future USA stars…finally..how to win a match and tournament. It was clever showing up with several kids who appeared over age. I visited Barcelona last year and listened to how they switched from choosing the “big” kids years ago to the most skillful and intelligent ones today. I must confess I am totally sick of hearing about “Barca”this and “Barca” that so I applaud your truly all American approach to team selection. It clearly served you well to gain a 2-0 advantage by half. Well played Winston.
At first, I thought your delay tactics were over the top for even a pro match, but then I realized…among 13 year olds in a time shortened 60 minute match with no added time…it was pure genius. I mean the way your large player disrespected the 10yd distance and crossed over the ball to punch the opposing, smaller 13 year old with both hands in the chest, it really got under the opponent’s skin. Then when the annoying referee yellow carded that I liked how your kids simply kicked the settled ball far away to delay the opponent from taking their free kick. I’ve never seen tactics like this before in a youth match. Where do you get your creative ideas?
After all, the other team had scored one back and was obviously threatening to score again which means your Yonkers team would not advance in the tournament. Your measures were effective. I know your player who went to ground with an ankle injury was not just feigning being hurt. I could tell when you went onto the field to his aid. The brilliant part was when you refused to get him medical attention off the field of play and refused to leave even at the request of that referee who really should know better who you are; Edson Buddle’s dad and mentor…a man, a name that is associated with USA Soccer at the highest levels. Did the ref not realize you know your own kids best and can attend to medical injuries on the field? Shame on him. He deserved the profanity laced tirade that followed. You really showed him and the best part is that by the time he finally did pull a red card on you the game was almost over. You won again Winston and, more importantly, showed us all the way to do it! I remember my visit to the Camp Nou museum and that droll list of values “Barca” tries to impart ending with a clear take away line, “We teach and foster sporting values in children and young people.” Thank you, Winston, for not embodying any part of that useless dribble. You are EDP Cup champion and will surely be coach of a top 10 team in the country again and that is what it is all about!
The (former) Milburn coach has had a business interest called "Soccer For Life" for some time now. In the past many Milburn supporters came to matches wearing "Soccer For Life" gear.
So it looks like the coach separated from Milburn after the Spring and formed a new club under the SFL name. And it also looks like some of the key former Milburn players opted not to join him in this move.
Given all of the nonsense written about above is there any color on the Finals against the Gunners? Did anyone see that match. Frankly I'm not surprised that the Gunners were beaten in that final match given that lack of competition leading up to it for them. But was there something more nefarious in that match as well that led to a significant 2-0 win for Yonkers?
Sounds about right for behavior in a Columbus Day tournament. I know we are going to celebrate Columbus Day by going into someone else's house and telling them we live there now.
Whomever they are, the Blog Master here is doing a heck of a job!
And it looks like they]re about to have more work to do on those team logos once the weekend awards are made. Not only will they need to make some adjustments to the order, but they'll also have to swap an old one out for a new Top 10 member.
Region 2 guy here: You guys continue to crack me up. We know that you East Coast people hog all of the GotSoccer poitns in the country for yourselves but the fact that you get excited about a third tier team getting points at a tournament is sad. It's more than just points. It's about being good enough to actually be included in the top tier. That should be the goal.
Hey Region Who Guy! Welcome back to NJ! Did you enjoy the weekend in beautiful Hammonton?
Not a bad showing for your boys at the EDP Cup with a win over BeachSLIDE. But it looks like the other two Region 1 teams were a little too hot to handle, eh?
And you may want to note that two weeks ago the"third tier" champion at EDP beat one of the teams your guys couldn't handle last weekend. Shame your guys didn't get a 3rd tier flighting in Tuckahoe as you just might have had a chance to bring some points back to Ohio.
You make my point exactly! We're more interested in playing well and against the top competition than about bringing points home. In order to be the best you have to beat the best. Is that the same Beachslide Team you guys tied by the way? ANd that other Region 2 team you've played this year. 0-3? Yeah we beat them a couple weeks ago as well. Go back and count some more points. We're going to go back to playing good soccer. Hammonton was beautiful by the way. It was a well run tournament overall. Almost as nice as some of the ones we have over here.
I think you've got me tied to the wrong team but that's okay.
And I think you missed my point. The "third tier" at EDP was an extremely competitive one that included teams that can play with the best. So discussion about who won there (and earned points as a result) seems like a reasonable topic for a U14 message board.
"It's about being good enough to actually be included in the top tier. That should be the goal."
You seem to think that playing in the "top" flight is the only goal. Well your boys have done so twice now in Region 1 this year and have a win, a draw and 4 losses to show for it. So maybe a second tier try would be best next time you visit?
Most of us understand that flighting a tournament with so many strong teams is no exact science and that getting the true 8 best in the same group rarely happens. But it's also interesting that the two teams who came from outside Region 1 (and had the fewest points coming in) combined to go home with a win and 5 losses.
First off this is one of the things I hate about GotSoccer. The team you had 9 months ago isn't usually the same as the one you're playing with today. So the points that you gathered last year should only be used as a guide.
As for Annandale, Fewster did take it to us pretty good and that Arlington team is quality as well but as for the others we had chances to win all of them. Unfortunately our boys only came away with one win and a tie. In all the games though we felt like we belonged. As mentioned in the midwest our gaol is to be among the best and always be improving. We'll leave the points to you guys. If we were put in the third tier we probably would have cancelled going. Its not worth it to us to drive that far regardless of points.
We got off to a rough start this year but the boys are starting to figure it out again. We're still undefeated in our league and hoping to at least get back to regionals again. Believe it or not there are some pretty damn good teams in region 2. Too bad you guys are so far or we'd come play you more. Best of luck this year and we'll probably see you again in the spring.
hmmm .... so unless your boys play in the top tier, there is no other reason to get excited about them playing at all? no, it's not all about points, and learning and developing to be good enough to play in the top tier is definitely what everybody strives to be. But if you're saying that the only thing that's good enough for you is to play in the top tier and never mind any other 'minor' achievements that your boys actually get, then you crack me up - because that is sad.
Annandale wasn't quite as deep as the EDP Cup was this year. But I can assure you that either of the top 2 flights there would have been plenty competitive for you boys. The top 3 flights at EDP all offered competition that would have been worthwhile for you.
There are very good teams in Region 2. Just not as many of them as there are in this part of the country. So my advice is to try not to get too caught up in the flight's "metal" (ex: Platinum, Gold, Silver) when deciding if a Region 1 tournament is worth the drive.
And I also hope you stop by often and keep us up to date on what's happening in Region Who!
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"First off this is one of the things I hate about GotSoccer. The team you had 9 months ago isn't usually the same as the one you're playing with today. "
so maybe then points expiring after a year makes sense ... if it's not the same team 9 months later, then the new team starts from scratch again to make up the points. hey! maybe GotSoccer knows what it's doing after all!
I know NJSA has formed a number of "partnerships" in the past (Stalions?). But I recently saw a release that announced a new partnership with Cedar Stars Academy. I thought this one was a bit different as it seems to say that they will merger into a newly formed club named New Jersey Cedar Stars Academy (NJCSA).
So does this put Cedar Stars into the USSF Academy ranks?
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There is a new #1 in NJ; Gottschee Roma...and it looks like either Princeton Black or EBSC would have to not only win state cup where Roma is not playing and SLF is eliminated already, but also EDP league and perhaps even the MAPS Challenge too to catch up by season end. It's possible, but optimistic. Who knows? Maybe Black who sits atop EDP 1st Central now will be the first to trip up the new top dog this weekend and make it happen. A loss by Roma would definitely put them behind the eight ball in league play.
Westfield displaces TSF at #10. it's been a long time since we have not seen TSF on the top 10 list. The Gunners and SJEB move up in the top 10. Congrats to all!
Can't say I can remember TSF out of the Top 10. And is this the first time Westfield has cracked it?
Also a good point about PB or EB catching Gottschee before the year's end. They both have thousands of points still to expire this fall. So PB would need to earn over 8,000 more (or EB would have to come up with almost 9,000) to keep Gottschee from topping the NJ list on New Years Day.
Speaking of the Maps Challenge, this looks to be a much stronger tournament this year than in the past. NJ teams on the applied list include Gottschee, Princeton Black, SFL, and Deptford. And teams from out of state include FC Europa and Pleasant Valley. So the top flight value there could easily be as high as 8,000 points.
MID SEASON REPORT CARD: The following are a combination of points actually earned since Labor Day and expected points to be earned by season end from state cup, leagues etc. excluding the MAPS Challenge.
Columbus Day seems like a good point to take the temperature of the fall season.
The BEST.... East Brunswick and Princeton Black lead the pack despite a poor Columbus Day weekend for both. Not surprisingly, both added a number of players to their rosters this season and have clearly done consistently well in league and state cup play.
The next three are a little bit of a surprise or let's just say outperfomers on the fall season so far; SJEB, Haddonfield, NJ Stallions Gunners. SJEB did have a strong Columbus Day and is doing well in league play and they are right there with the top two in points earned. The Black Dawgs could be as well. They have not yet earned points, but consistent league and state cup play will bring in roughly 8K and maybe more. Their #20 rank in NJ is the biggest temporary joke in the gotsoccer table despite a poor Columbus Day showing. They are top 10. The most surprising winner for the fall looks like it is going to be the NJ Stallions Gunners. They had a solid Columbus Day and are doing well in league playa s well. All three teams look to be edging out a couple other top 5 teams Marlboro and Gottschee. That leads into...
....the WORST.... Two old powerhouses from previous years are at the bottom; PDA Rooney and SFL. It's funny how quickly the landscape changes at this age. The old Millburn lost a lot of players to PDA and others so it is little surprise they moved the opposite way of EBSC and Black. The same could be said for the Navigators who were among the point leaders from the spring and lost players. Rooney, however, is a surprise! At the start of the season some on this board had them armed with strong layers and among the best in NJ. So far this fall, that couldn't be further from reality. They are the biggest underperformer to date. 2nd on the underperforming list has to be Gottschee Roma. Like Black and EBSC they added a number of players to the roster this season, but have dropped from #1 points leader in the spring season to #7 right in there with Stallions 99/00 who themselves are undefeated in EDP 2nd league play with SJEB and the Gunners above. Roma sits in 6th place in EDP 1st league with a losing record. With an early exit from state cup, Marlboro might also be added to the list. They didn't accomplish much Columbus Day weekend and, like Gottschee, appear to be behind the 3 unexpected outperformers above. However, they are doing better in league play and did deliver on Labor Day so in reality they look okay or maybe a bit better than expected. TSF is probably the better candidate for 3rd worst this fall. They have now dropped out of the top 10 and so far have not earned the points expected for fall.
I suppose points reports can be done in a couple of ways. I understand that the totals above reflect the numbers earned since Labor Day. But here's another way to look at this.
Here are the NET point gains/losses for the current Top 10 since the "fall" season started on August 1. And by "net," I mean a combination of both the points teams have earned and those that have expired:
1. BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99 / 6287 2. SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99 / 3274 3. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS / 2396 4. MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE / 1894 5. WESTFIELD SA FC PREMIER COSMOS / 866 6. SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS / -290 7. IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS / -296 8. EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC / -477 9. PDA ROONEY / -6218 10. PRINCETON FC BLACK / -9465
Note the above doesn't include MAPS Fall Challenge.
Gottschee Roma is still in the pole position, but their total points and their lead are less. With an expected solid 2nd half of the fall by EBSC and Black or even continued poor league play by Gottschee, EBSC and Black could take back the #1 ranking at the MAPS Challenge.
The Gunners look like they are going to nudge back into the top 10. Just to put into perspective what this means...at fall season start, EBSC and the Gunners looked like they could slide down the rankings precipitously. A bad fall put EBSC out of the top 10 and the Gunners were a dead, stinking carcass on the side of the road. EBSC has secured their place yet again in the top 3 and now, even more amazingly, the Gunners look to be pulling off a rebirth from roadkill to a top 10 team again. No doubt both coaches should be up for "coach of the season" if any such award existed. Both have actually re-invented their teams a couple times now so no matter what comments have been made in the past years on these forums it is hard to argue they are among the best at the age group.
SJEB looks like they could break into the top 5 after a good Columbus Day weekend and a poor showing by Haddonfield made it a little bit harder for the Black Dawgs to do the same. Ironbound, SFL and PDA Rooney should still hanging around top 10 by winter despite lackluster fall seasons. Westfield's top 10 spot looks to be only temporary and will fall to #13 while TSF will likely stay out of the top 10. Princeton FC Tottenham should probably have been added to the BEST fall list above because they could slide right into the #15 spot as could Deptford. It's that close.
"Their #20 rank in NJ is the biggest temporary joke in the gotsoccer table despite a poor Columbus Day showing. They are top 10."
I'd agree that the Black Dawgs are one of the 10 best in the state when all their players are on board. But they didn't play much in the past two spring seasons and it's almost impossible to maintain a high point total without a full year schedule.
That's useful to see how rankings will change. You may as well look at the rankings. See projected fall end below.
The important element your NET doesn't capture is the strength of teams this fall. It is clouded by last fall and even spring and my goal is to develop a report card for fall. A lot of teams changed a lot this fall! Two extreme examples are Gottschee Roma at the top of your list and Haddonfield Black Dawgs not even on your list. Gottschee tops your list reflecting less the points they earned this fall and more the fact they have no points from fall last year to net against. This will keep them close to #1 rank, but this fall looks a little shaky. It is hard to argue they are playing like the #1 team as they haven't exactly been kicking butt and taking names. Haddonfield, on the other hand, is #20 rank and had to net off a lot of last year's points, but they are taking names&butts this fall including Gottschee's. They're in contention to win state cup and their league. None of those points are booked yet (part of it already earned) and since my measure includes recent past and looks forward to the 2nd half of fall it captures those points. It is hard to paint a scenario where BDs will get less than 5-6K points and they could get over 10K. They have clearly had a stellar fall season so far. Neither measure is wrong. They just measure different things.
"Neither measure is wrong. They just measure different things."
I agree with this.
And I agree with most of your post Labor Day assessment. But GS works on a one year expiration basis so, from a points/rankings perspective, I find the net numbers to be relevant if only because top teams are challenged with maintaining high totals as opposed to building from scratch. So winning back the 5,000 points that just expired is more a case of maintenance than progress. If you're a "top team" then you're have to keep piling on points regularly as they continually keep leaking out from the bottom of your bag.
Here's what I have on pending point expirations through the end of 2013. It would be interesting to see if you have similar numbers for this too.
1 . SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS / -11607 2 . NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS / -8298 3 . EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC / -6273 4 . PRINCETON FC BLACK / -3785 5 . MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE / -3073 6 . SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99 / -2858 7 . TSF ACADEMY / -2778 8 . PDA ROONEY / -2612 9 . MORRIS UNITED STA CELTIC / -2197 10 . PRINCETON SA PREMIER 99/00 ORANGE / -2172 11 . HADDONFIELD SC BLACK DAWGS / -1802 12 PARSIPPANY SC CREW / -1734 13 MOUNT LAUREL UNITED MLU GLADIATORS / -1715 14 WESTFIELD SA FC PREMIER COSMOS / -1320 15 VISTULA FC VISTULA DRAGONS / -1152 16 IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS / -1113 17 MOUNT OLIVE PREMIER EVERTON / -547 18 BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99 / -470 19 DEPTFORD SDS DEPTFORD DRAGONS / -300 20 PDA JINKY / -292 21 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 99/00 BOYS / -276
I agree that ESBC deserves it's kudos but I'm just not sure the Gunners recent EDP Cup point addition is all that impressive. Beating the Black Dawgs 2-1 was significant to a degree but beating the now downtrodden DUSC 1-0 was hardly an accomplishment, if anything it looks a bit weak. Then only tying Leighigh and getting served by Yonkers...well you decide. Then look further at their Fall record and it's equally unimpressive. Let's see how they continue to stack up against true top 10 teams across the region before Gunners are put in the same league as EBSC. In fact wasn't it EBSC that knocked the Gunners out of State Cup just several weeks ago 3-0.
EDP CUP 3rd Flight Gunners Results 10/13/2013 YONKERS UNITED GOLDEN TOUCH (NYE) 0-2 10/13/2013 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 99 BOYS (PAE) 0-0 10/12/2013 DOWNTOWN UNITED SC DUSC SAO PAULO (NYE) 1-0 10/12/2013 HADDONFIELD SC BLACK DAWGS (NJ) 2-1
EBSC didn't do all that at the recent EDP Cup either although they competed in a higher flight. I just don't get the rave above.
What? Okay that is a little harsh for a team that just moved to #1. What list will they go on when they one day start falling in the rankings? Gotta' disagree with that one.
Okay anti-Gunner man...how is their fall record unimpressive so far? They are undefeated in EDP and were finalists at EDP Cup. I hardly call a 2-0 loss to a top 10 team in the country "getting served". Let's see how their wins stack up to the #1 team. ...only tying LVU? #1 lost to LVU. Gunners beat the black Dawgs and #1 lost. Gunners beat Danubia earlier in the fall 5-0 and the #1 team only pulled off a 5-2 win. I'm not saying Gunners are #1 or even top 3 like EBSC. That's not the comparison. They started from a much lower point and to get into the top 10 would be an awesome achievement. Gunners face the tougher half of their schedule in the 2nd half so I'll save the raves until the end, but so far they are off to a much better start than might have been expected.
Not anti-Gunner. Just don't see how their "okay" performance over 45 days justifies their coach as being coach of the year. Unless of course the post above was written by that coach or that coaches manager. But if you see it differently that's ok. Not a slam just an observation.
Not an anti-Gunner guy either. But I think they were fortunate with their EDP Cup draw too.
And unless they can repeat the kind Thanksgiving point fiesta they enjoyed last year (beating younger teams at the Lower Merion tournament) , I can't see how they cab stick in the top 10 a month from now.
I don't see how you conclude anything from the 3-0 match? That was a non-tournament crossover game that probably did not include guests and had no implications on standings. Do you also conclude that EBSC can defeat Dix Hills, NYSC and Gottschee Roma today? You would have to by making such sketchy comparisons. I Doubt it! The Gunners won again today and remain undefeated in league play anti-Gunner guy!
Wow, so personal Gunner guy, coach, manager, parent? Either way it's just an observation about the coach being named coach of the year after 45 days. Time will always tell and the cream will always rise to the top. I'm sure the Gunners will do just fine and maybe even more than that, end at the top. BTW, I've only written the first post so I'm assuming there are at least a couple of others that might agree with my original observation. Who did the Gunners beat today? Can't find them listed anywhere? Do tell Gunner guy.
Yeah, the Gunner guy seems pretty touchy these days.
With a draw and a 1-0 win over powerhouses like Vistula and the Montgomery Travelers accounting for half of their the 2nd division points, I wouldn't be touting their undefeated league play quite so much.
So ease up Gunner guy. They'll still be in the Top 20 by the season's end.
Disappointing day for Gottschee. They needed a win and bossed the game the whole way through. But they couldn't take advantage of the chances they created. I'm not saying they got a ton of them as Princeton Black fought hard. But there were a couple that looked like sure things but didn't happen.
Princeton supporters were shouting for the ref to bow the final whistle by the end as Gottschee had switched to a back 3 to get another attacker up the field and keep the pressure on.
Gottschee were the better team so the draw had to be a disappointment for them. I know the Princeton supporters were very happy to get a point out of it.
HUH? SJEB lost 2-0. Stallions 99/00 move to a 2nd place tie with their Stallions club mates, SJEB holds onto 1st pace in EDp 2nd. Black lost their spot in 1st because the only team to score in the EDP 1st Central today was Haddonfield who move into 1st place. Should be an interesting match-up next Saturday.
Keeping the ball in the opponent's half of the field for about 3/4 of the game is "bossing" it to me, While games like this occasionally end up in scoreless draws, that's usually not the case.
And sorry for my mistake on the Stallions/SJEB result.
Nj Stallion Gunners played Parsippsny over the weekend. Gunners won 2-1.
I thought parsipanny was an outstanding team and would easily be in top 5 of state if they were about such crap points. They are tough, they are skillful and boy are they quick. Parsipanny will beat any team in state.
For the NJ Stallions gunners, Parsippsny is going to super Y nationals. Gunners beat them 2-1 and looked very good by doing it. Also as I was watching in sideline, I overheard a few gunner parents talking with the Parsippsny parents about how both stallions teams will be combining teams in fall. That is going to be a hell of a team to beat. Not only the best players from both teams will obviously be on the A team but can only imagine how's my players outside will look to tryout.
Anyways- what a game last night and kudos to both teams for really showing some talent.
Wow- a lot of gunner talk recently. My son once played for them and I recently watched them at the EDP cup and was amazed. Not by skill-
For those who do not know- Gunners Stallions are based out Montclair. What I mean by that, 9 out of their 15 players GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL - 11 out of 15 live in MONTCLAIR NJ. Your missing the big picture with this team and what that coach has done.
I will be the first to admit the coach is intense and can be a complete a$$. But if you really look what he has done with a town team, its pretty impressive. He has had those 10 Montclair kids since the team has been 7-8 years old and has developed little white American kids to play at the highest level the state and region has to offer.
East Brunswick? Roma? TsF? Princeton Black? PDA?
All these teams have recruited the heck out of their teams and might have 3-4 kids from their original rosters. Gunners have 10.
I know we can get ahead of ourselves with the rankings, but look who is a teally ranked high and then ask why. IT'S NOT THE COACHING I can tell you that. If recruiting a brand new team each year is what this is about then gunners have it wrong. But I think we all know its not.
Just my two cents for playing with the Galacticos/Gunners for a few years.
Parsippany parent here. Thanks for the compliment but get real. It was a scrimmage. No excuses but we hardly put our best lines out there. You're a good team but nothing like what we've played against the other Stallions team 99/00. That was real tough, but we beat them three times.
Off hand I'd say at least 8 or 10 or the Gottschee Roma players have been there for a long time as well. At least as far back as when the Gunners and Roma were both Match Fit teams.
One thing is for sure. That is NOT a Parsippany parent. But the point is taken. Combining these two is kind of like the Jets putting together Sanchez and Tebow. I expect you mean combine at the end of THIS fall. Why wait until next fall? What good player will sit around for almost a full year in hopes of that?
I'll bet Montclair will have one hell of a HS team in a couple years. Their PR is out in force, but it is an interesting point about them all learning together since 7-8yrs old rather than just assembling a good team w/o chemistry. That was really the point of the book For the Love of the Ball mentioned above comparing Barca to Real Madrid and ManU. Pretty good book by the way, but I think the author has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about the owners of Real Madrid and Manu. After all, those evil, short term focused corporate owners at ManU have managed to collect almost as many trophies as Barca w/o integrating their youth players as much.
Sorry. I digressed a little. How do you know IT'S NOT THE COACHING? It could be both. Every team adds new players. That is normal. Not changing is more unusual. What happens if Stallions teams combine like someone suggested above? Wouldn't that just be the same as recruiting?
Can you shed some of your revolutionary thought on what a 1-1 score line means? And perhaps some of the advanced readers here might be able to comprehend your complex views on a 2-2 game.
Your failure to understand that a score line doesn't always present an accurate picture of how teams played in a game says a lot about your understanding.
Have the last word if you like, You're too dumb to chastise any further.
Actually, staying in the top ten would be an excellent achievement. The Gunners lose a lot of points this fall and have to do very well just to make that up.
To October 22 8:10AM "Boy you really are astute..."
A 2-2 score suggests you are not better than the other team, but can score. 0-0 means you can't even score. 3-0 is "bossing" a game.
Get real and stop bragging about "bossing" a game when you didn't win and you didn't even score. It's either delusional or dumb. If you really did "boss" the ball then why can't your team turn that into goals? You are what your record says you are.
With the Black Dawgs already holding semi-final (at east) State Cup points in their bag, the Gunners will probably need to outpoint either Rooney by almost 3,300, SFL by 2,600 or Westfield by 2,250 before the fall ends if they are to be in the top 10 come Xmas. And they'll probably have to beat their club mates in EDP play as well.
yeah wasn't princeton black a combination of two teams as well? and i think another team, but can't recall correctly. so if princeton black is combination of two teams, then what is that?
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Marlboro has a tough EDP schedule against East Brunswick and Princeton this weekend and next. If they do not play a level above they may be w/o a win until late October?
Well Marlboro have a win already! Nice try.
A lot of State Cup upsets this weekend! Den of Lions put the bite on the 3 time reigning state cup champ. I guess they aren't really #2 anymore! Stallions Gunners beat TSF and Black Dawgs defeat PDA Rooney (really not a surprise for anyone who has seen both teams) and lastly Ironbound beats Westfield.
There were a lot of upsets in EDP too. TSF defeats PDA Rooney. Black Dawgs beat Gottschee at home and Marlboro travels to East Brunswick and wins. It is getting tougher and tougher to pick NJ's best.
Haddonfield Black Dawgs were too much for Gottschee NJ. They belong in top 5!
and next week they will have a loss to Princeton Black.
It is interesting that the 2 best KICK n RUN teams, Black Dawgs and Princeton Black, are at the top of the EDP 1st table and on track for state cup (except they meet each other before the finals) while East Brunswick and RDA Rooney do not even have a single EDP win (PDA already out of state cup).
We will see if EBSC can get their first win against the Black Dawgs this weekend. Is #3 really better than #12? I have my doubts. EBSC will have to handle the biggest forward in the state and constant play over the top.
Haddonfield Black Dawgs? Kick 'n Run.
How good are DenofLions? Can they give Marlboro a run for their money?
Brackets are out for YMS. In the Elite (2nd) flight Princeton Tottenham has a good shot to make the finals if they get by FASA . In the top Championship bracket, Princeton Black looks to have their hands full at the group stage with Pachuca. Tough draw!
Any sign of brackets for EDP Cup?
YES
To that kick n run team? We'll see.
Marlboro got lucky win against EB! Play it 10 times and they lose 7-8 times.
Tottenham first also has to get by Mt. Olive who beat DenOfLions recently.
Wow! Might this really board be a new and viable option? That would be great. And if so, let's just hope everyone behaves here.
Regarding the EDP Cup, there appear to be 53 U14 teams who have applied right now. So how many will get in (at any level) and how many will either have to look elsewhere or take the weekend off?
Up until yesterday I had the impression that only 24 would be accepted, But today a little birdie told me it will more than twice that many. Don't be too surprised to see 7 different U14 flights at Tuckahoe over Columbus Day!
Who cares about Marlboro and their loud mouth trainer coach.
Yes, they are an extreme Kick 'n Run team all right. And they are very good at it.
I know that a direct style of play is frequently discounted as useless from a development perspective. But they said the same things about Milburn for years and a couple of their former players have managed to move on to exciting new opportunities.
Similarly, I'd say there are a couple of Black Dawgs who could easily have great futures with the game.
Ah well. So much for everybody behaving.
I see that FASA's most recent results on Got Soccer aren't very impressive. Still, I'll be surprised if either Princeton Tottenham or Mt. Olive get passed them at YMS.
Do you have a crush on him?
Why was Marlboro win lucky? Explain.
Thanks for creating this board! Post your top 15 peeps. In your analysis include results from EDP, Super Y, Maps, Tournaments, changes to rosters...you get it. Let's see how close this top 15 or 20 matches Got Soccer by end of year.
Love to hear your opinions.
It is a good style until teams get a fast and strong back. Then what will they do?
GO TOTTENHAM!
LOL! I guess I will if we play them. Any color on win over EBSC? That's a big win.
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Top 15 teams in NJ by yr end?
1. Gottschee Roma_________24.7
2. Princeton Black__________23.1
3. EBSC__________________17.0
4. Marlboro________________16.0
5. Haddonfield______________15.5
6. Ironbound________________11.3
7. NJ Stallions 99/00_________10.5
8. SJEB____________________9.9
9. TSF_____________________9.6
10. SFL Titans_______________9.1
11. Parsippany Crew__________8.2
12. Westfield________________7.6
13. PDA Rooney_____________7.6
14. Mount Laurel_____________6.2
15. Deptford_________________6.1
Don't forget about the coveted Parsippany Pride tournament.
Should see a rematch of Parsippany vs NJ Stallions.
After Parsippany wins you'll need to adjust your predictions.
STUPID LIST! Gottschee can't beat EB and just lost to Black Dawgs. Not even in state cup. How do they become top dog?
Big Mouth Marlboro Coach is no longer the coach, right? So what are you talking about?
BLACK
BLACK DAWGS
PARSIPPANY
MARLBORO
GOTTSCHEE
EAST BRUNSWICK
TSF
SJEB
PDA
NJ STALLIONS
It looks like the point of that list is to predict GS point totals by the end of the year. And if that's the case, then it may not be all that stupid. Gottschee had a very productive spring and almost all of their current points were earned in 2013. So they don't have many that will expire before the year's end. And if they add another few thousand this fall, they have a very good chance of topping the GS list by December. Other top teams will need to earn points this fall just to maintain their current rankings. Gottschee could lose every game they have left this fall and still be near the top.
EDP Cup schedule is up! 51 teams accepted with 21 of them from Jersey.
No NJ teams in the top flight.
EB and Marlboro in the 2nd flight.
Gottschee Roma, SFL, Black Dawgs and Gunners in the 3rd flight.
Princeton Orange, TSF, Ironbound, SJEB and Westfield in the 4th.
Mt. Laurel, Jinky, NJ Force Arsenal and Vistula in the 5th.
Mainland Utd. and Montgomery Travelers in the 6th.
FC Copa, FC Maximus, Jersey United Spartans and NJSA Madrid in the 7th.
EDP CUP flights are out. I guess they agree with me. Stupid list. They put Gottschee down in 3rd flight.
Marlboro in the top flight for NJ teams? No offense, but last weekend's win aside..they're really pretty disorganized and not that great a team. I expect they will go winless at EDP Cup.
The 1st Platinum flight at EDP Cup looks kind of weak FSA aside. I think most of the 2nd Gold flight would beat 7 of the 8 teams in the Platinum group. Most Platinum teams really aren't as strong lately as their point totals suggest. I don't know. Looks to me like Gold is the best flight at the tourney!
EDP Cup Predictions:
PLATINUM___________FSA (CT)
GOLD_______________Chargers Elite (FL)
SILVER_____________Black Dawgs (NJ)
PREMIER___________TSF (NJ)
ROYAL_____________Staten Isl. Gunners (NYE)
SCARLET___________Auburndale (NYE)
I think you still keep missing the point on the "stupid" list as I believe it was intended to predict point totals by the end of the season. If Princeton Black and/or EB don't earn some points over the Labor Day weekend, Gottschee will pass by them on the GS list. And with the 3rd flight at EDP still worth 9,000 points, being placed there probably helps Gottschees's chances of earning some more themselves. I'm not saying I think they will place at the EDP Cup. Just that the competition EB and Marlboro will face in the 2nd flight looks a lot tougher to me with the reward being only marginally higher.
I think Princeton Black has a good shot at YMS. But Pachuca can definitely be troublesome. And they'd probably have to win there to keep ahead of Gottschee.
So perhaps you think GotSoccer is stupid and if so, I'm not going to argue with you. But the list above (which included estimated point totals) may turn out to be a lot closer than you think by the year's end.
Wait! Did I say the Labor Day weekend above? Let's just say the holidays are slipping past me too quickly!
Of course, I intended to say Columbus Day.
A draw and 2 losses at Spirit Utd.
Three losses at Lou Ramos
Lost all 3 of their EDP games to date.
There are a few flightings at the EDP Cup I think are off the mark. But the strangest one to me is Hockessin in the 2nd flight. This team has lost their last 8 matches in ranked events and you have to go back 12 matches to find a win (in June). Sure, their competition has been very good. But I think there are at least a couple of third flight teams with better resumes of late.
And please forgive me for patting my little birdie on the back!
Of course! ...and I have as much faith in your list too.
LOL! And still missing the point ....
LOL as well as it wasn't even my list! Personally, I'd say the point totals for the top teams won't be as high as those indicated on the list above.
NYSC Fewster & FSA are better than us, the rest are arguable. Although the NJ teams are possibly misflighted it's hardly ridiculous. More interesting, how come Princeton Black are chasing Patriot in PA rather than play EDP Cuo? Parent agenda finally shone through?
I don't think the flights are ridiculous either. But there are a couple of placements I'd have done differently. Not sure where you're from but I'm from NJ and really don't have any major concerns about where the NJ teams ended up.
As I said before, I really think that Hockessin is more deserving of the 3rd flight (which is still a very good one) based on their recent inability to win any big games.
But overall, I'd say the flights are fine and that it will require some very good soccer against high quality opposition to win any of the top 3 groups.
(Watch Hockessin win now!)
FSA looks on paper like they are a level above like NYSC last year. Would like to see them play at EDP Cup. NYSC and Fewster are still really good, but not the same teams as a year ago. Not as imposing.
I agree...all of the top 3 flights will take a lot of good soccer to win. No easy road.
Princeton Black is in the wrong tournament for sure. But why? Habit or an effort to DUCK the top competition?
You can draw your own conclusion, But remember, if it walks like a DUCK and it talks like a DUCK....
Where did Princeton Black come from. Last year and orange and white only correct?
From Patriots in PA.
Patriots Red or black?
Any State Cup scores yet?
EBSC 3-0 over NJ Stallions
STATE CUP-
It turns out Marlboro actually isn't that good. They lose to DenofLions. Princeton Black just sneaks by Ironbound and the Black Dawgs appear to be on a roll and looking like the favorite for stet cup champs. Thought Princeton-EBSC match was a cup finals preview a couple weeks back. It looks more like tomorrow's match between EBSC and Haddonfield will be the finals preview. GO DAWGS!
Who wants to take a bet? NONE of the top 5 NJ teams will make it out of group stage next weekend. Anyone care to disagree?
I'll take a shot that at least one of them gets out of their group. But I'm not confident enough in any of them to go out a the limb by picking who it will be. If forced, I'd take a stab on Princeton Black.
Just guessing (hoping) that at least one of them shows up and/or gets lucky.
In other words, I'm afraid you may be right on the money but just don't want to believe it.
Marlboro shut out by Den of Lions? Marlboro clearly a team on the decline. No wonder their old coach left.
Marlboro drew with Princeton Black today. Anyone can have a weak day every now and then. That's the risk of a single elimination tourney like state cup.
go dawgs. I guess the bulldog lost its bark today at EBSC. That's what happens when a better quality team meets kick n run. GO EBSC!
Both sit at the top half of EDP 1st Central though and that's pretty good. The lesser quality teams are dropping like flies and some names are a surprise. Last week PDA Rooney took a knockout punch and this week Gottschee goes down for the 10 count. So much for the academy names! Barely halfway into the season, it is virtually impossible for either to break into the top half of league standings by season end.
The last EDP 1st game of the weekend was a nice rebound for Marlboro after a state cup upset. They push with Princeton Black. Who said they aren't any good?
Down in 2nd divisions Westfield loses to Revolution United by a goal and they are now bouncing along the bottom of North group standings. Stallions 99/00 hold onto 2nd in Central with a couple draws. Good luck to all NJ teams next weekend!
Still predicting your #1 above? LOL. Your team will be out of top 10 by spring.
How funny would that be if Den of Lions won state cup? Nobody ...and I mean nobody except their own parents are even giving them a chance or talking about them. This is a cinderella team that isn't even in EDP! #39 in NJ. ...in the National Series state cup semis!
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SJEB is looking good in 2nd Central. Impressive wins in first four games.
Patriots Red are still there. Pretty sure Princeton Black was Patriots Black before the move.
It may walk like a duck and talk like a duck, but just because YMS is smaller than EDP Cup doesn't make it easier for Black. They have to get past Pachuca in the group stage and Pachuca has started off the fall on fire. Quite a bounce back from the drudging they took from Gottschee Roma. Should be interesting.
Marlboro bounce back? #1 in NJ? They do realize they lost to a MAPS team in state cup. They only have one athletic player and little else. No kids on their team invited to the U14 National team camp in Carson, CA. Ugly soccer and easy to beat. I like their goalie though. So make that 2 players.
Time for a little whining about referees (as if we don't hear enough of this already!)
Twice in the past couple of months I've seen cases where a referee whistled a foul on a defender whose denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity met all the points required to red card the player. Yet in both cases the referee decided not to follow through on this and issued yellow cards instead.
I understand that referees try not to be harsh with U14 boys (for the most part). But I'd say this age group is now old enough to have the Laws of the Game properly enforced. Even the tough ones.
A lot of changes to the U14 leader board today. Princeton Black drops to #4. How did they lose 9K points? SFL regains #1 ranking in NJ just ahead of Gottschee Roma. EBSC stays #3. SJEB and TSF deservingly in top 10. Haddonfield Black Dawgs drop to #19.
This is silly? On one hand, the Black Dawgs are really top 5 and Princeton Black is just as good today as yesterday. On the other, SFL is a shadow of the team from spring and are probably not top 10 quality let alone #1. Gottschee has had a weak start to fall. What is going on?
Got Soccer removed the points gained at this time last year? Probably Columbus weekend tournament points? Those teams that made huge jumps with good results last year will need to do the same again this year., the system isn't perfect but it diodes reward you for being consistent and not just chasing points over short periods of time.
October 6 8:32PM.
Yes. I'm still predicting Roma goes #1. They're basically there right now.
He's either just a wind up merchant or too thick to grasp the GotSoccer concept.
"Your team will be out of top 10 by spring."
While they're not "my team," Gottschee Roma has over 8,000 GS points that won't expire until the middle of June, 2014. So they will almost certainly stay in the GS top 10 for NJ throughout the spring, even if they don't win another single match until then. Get it?
The response below is correct. Columbus Day was a week earlier last year and PB had about 8,000 points they won then expire.
Got Soccer's rankings reflect a team's results over the past 12 months equally. So they don't give more weight to more recent results and points drop off instantly once a year passes.
I'm glad you didn't bring up "last man" rule like so many whining parents who don't know that isn't the criteria anymore and there isn't even a definition of the last man. Maybe the referee was enforcing the rule properly?
The rule allows the referee to judge if the situation was an "obvious goal opportunity". It prohibits him from issuing a red card (even if he thinks it obvious to him) unless it was an offence resulting in DK or PK that meets 4 additional points. If any point isn't met then no red card. If all points are met it still doesn't mean the ref has to issue red. Maybe your refs decided it wasn't obvious.
Keep up the great work. This site just keeps getting better!
Let's just say that the goal scoring opportunities I witnessed were extremely obvious and that the only reasonable explanation for the referees failing to send the players off was that they just didn't want to red card kids who weren't guilty of either violent conduct or serious dissent.
I can recall an age when calling improper throw-ins was considered too harsh because the kids were too young and I'd say I saw similar sentiment from the referees in both of these cases.
Just spotted the Top 10 emblems at the top of the page. Nice touch!
GotSoccer's method of having points expire after a year is at least an attempt to make sure outdated success has no bearing on the current rankings. But I can't imagine it would take too much more programming effort to significantly improve their ranking's relevance with a more comprehensive approach toward weighting points based on their age. Here's an example of how this might work.
If a team earns 5,000 points on November 1, they would keep all of them for three months, through the end of January. Then on Feb, 1, GS would deduct 10% of this award (500 points in this case) and the team's new total for that November win would be reduced to 4,500. This process would continue each month with another 10% of the original award dropping off on the award anniversary until the final 500 points expire on November 1 of the following year.
By better weighting of points based on their age, GS rankings would better reflect the current state of an age group. Points earned 11 months ago can hardly be considered as important as those won last month. And this type of approach would eliminate the sudden drops like we saw with Princeton Black this week.
Anyone know anyone at GotSoccer?
Heck, why not roll those points off continuously otherwise there will still be drops? I do not think GS is as programmatic as you believe otherwise they could do it by the second. Anyone watching EB and Marlboro would know they recently made a mistake on this very thing and had to correct it. Besides, who says #4 isn't about right for Princeton Black? Are you sure they are better than EBSC, Black Dawgs, Gottschee?
Columbus Day weekend...let's take a look starting at the highest flight.
YMS Cup:
Championship bracket. Princeton Black...recently fallen from #1 in NJ...runs into a buzzsaw at 8AM Saturday against another EDP 1st leader, Pachuca, who is 5-0 and rolling through opponents. This is a MUST win match for Black. They could be going home w/o any points before they even eat breakfast. Things don't get too much better as they then probably face their old club mates Patriot Red who they have never defeated. Fortunately, Red has been a little up and down this fall. Things won't get easier in the finals either. Prediction: Black is out in the group stage.
Elite bracket. Also features a Princeton FC team...Tottenham. This one is harder to predict, but until Mount Olive loses I will go with their long win streak and great showing against solid teams at Lou Ramos. Prediction: Mt Olive make it to the finals and Tottenham look for 2nd in the group. It may come down to Sunday between them.
EDP Cup:
No NJ teams in the top Platinum flight. EB and Marlboro play the 2nd Gold flight. I like EB's chances a lot better although it will be a tough path for both. If Black runs into a buzzsaw, Marlboro might just become the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Saturday they go against 2 teams from NH and FL. I'll take a wild guess. Any team traveling that far must be thinking they can win and these teams include a semi-finalist at US Youth Regionals against all the region's state cup champs and a semi-finalist at the NPL Championship against all the best academy teams in the country. If these teams were in our area they would surely collect a ton of points and be in 1st flight. Sunday offers no respite either for Marlboro against the Calverton Cerritos. I predict an 0-3 weekend for Marlboro.
EBSC has a much easier path by comparison. DE Rush/Hockessin and World Class NPL are still good teams, but not what they were last year. Both are racking up the losses against this level of competition this fall. EBSC looks likely to at least get 2nd in the group. Their challenge will come against Gottschee Blue sporting a few players just called up to national team camp. Blue is hitting on all cylinders and will be a tough challenge for EBSC. I predict EBSC finishes 2nd in their group, but it will be close!
EDP Cup cont'd
The 3rd Silver flight sports 4 NJ teams and about the same value as the top two oddly enough. On one side is Haddonfield Black Dawgs and NJ Stallions Gunners. On the other is Gottschee Roma and Soccer For Life (old Millburn). DUSC Sao Paolo is extremely weak this season. The Gunners usually show very well, but fall short and I expect the same as the Dawgs are likely to overpower the group. They have the easiest draw among top NJ teams at any tournament this weekend and seem to be a shoe-in for the finals on Monday. LVU could possibly give them a hiccup, but it could also be a 4 or 5 goal Dawgs win.
The other side, Bracket 1, kicks off with NJ #1 SFL taking on NJ #2 Gottschee Roma. SFL has so far this fall looked to be a shadow of the 3 time state cup champ, but you never know what guests will appear. Don't count them out, but I still would predict Roma to win that one. A draw may even be a win for SFL! Even if they are fortunate the Titans run right into Yonkers United who is fresh off wins against USA #3 Dix Hills and #4 NYSC. Yonkers looks to be the team to beat in the Silver flight. Gottschee are a little fortunate to face them on Sunday in a game that could decide who goes to play the Dawgs on Monday. Unfortunately, the Forrest Gump Roma team is too much like a box of chocolates. You never know what you will get inside. I predict Yonkers moves on to win the whole Silver flight while Roma finishes 2nd in their group and the Dawgs make it to the finals.
EDP Cup Premier & Parsippany Pride:
A bunch of teams in the 4th EDP Premier flight too. Ironbound, SJEB, Westfield and TSF. Ironbound is the highest ranked, but SJEB will probably knock them off in the last game on Saturday. SJEB should go onto the finals to face TSF who looks to be the strongest team in this flight. I predict an all NJ finals and a TSF Premier flight win, but something about this whole flight gives me a feeling upsets are bound to happen.
Over at the Pride, the path to the finals for NJ Stallions 99/00 and Parsippany Crew are actually probably easier than the Black Dawgs draw, but that is no surprise. There won't be much in the way of points, but this should be an interesting finals match against two teams that look good this fall and have a history of duking it out in close matches. Prediction: The crew are champs.
Rolling points off continuously was pretty much my thought.
Their current programming calculates flight values, team awards and bonus points. And it then deletes them all at once when the expiration date arrives. So my idea is to delete them in portions over time instead.
And I mentioned Princeton Black only as an example because they recently dropped a huge chunk of points overnight. If my idea was implemented they my have already dropped out of the top spot by this week. Or maybe they'd still be there based on the periodic point deductions other teams would have.
To put it simply, I'm just saying that 5,000 points won 10-12 months ago shouldn't be as valuable as 5,000 points won last month.
I would agree that Parsippany are the most likely NJ team to earn some points this weekend. Other than that, I'm not feeling too good about any of them.
More than Haddonfield?
Wow! What a day. At YMS, Princeton is already out after a tough scoreless draw with Pachuca. East Brunswick is also out after a disappointing loss to Hockessin Rush on an early PK. Marlboro started off well and is mathematically in it still, but unlikely to advance or even get 2nd in their bracket. They would have to beat Calverton tomorrow and hope the New Hampshire team loses. Both Calverton and NHPSA are huge and the class of the Gold flight. It is a shame one of the two will not advance to play Gottschee Blue in the finals who I expect to defeat Hockessin tomorrow.
Back to NJ and the Silver flight SFL is also out of it. Who said the top 5 in NJ would not get out group stage? Well they may be wrong because Gottschee Roma replaced SFL as the NJ #1 U14B team today and can go through to the finals with a win tomorrow. It will be a tough one because like Calverton and most of the Platinum flight, Yonkers Utd. is HUGE! The big surprise in the other bracket is the Stallions Gunners who have it in their power as well to win and move onto the finals.
TSF fell flat in the Premier flight, but it looks like Westfield or SJEB will be going to the finals from the other bracket. In Parsippany, the Crew and the Stallions 99/00 continue on a predictable course to the finals. Did I miss anyone? PDA Jinky and NJ Force are in battles on either side of the Royal flight. Good luck to all those still standing!
I did leave one out. Princeton Tottenham. Sorry. They must have read the prediction about Mt Olive above and don't deserve to be missed after today's performance. Good luck tomorrow.
Saw Princeton Blacks 2nd game today. If that's their standard then there is no way they advance in State Cup. They barely created a chance and forced everything through one player. It would be shame if they were NJs representatives at Regionals!
Well to put in perspective...their challenger Black Dawgs did not have their best player at the tourney today. Conclude what you will.
How does EBSC lose to Hockessin Rush and then draw with Gottschee Blue? I'm guessing the individual matchups are favorable for EBSC against Blue. Can't really explain any other way. I know I should not isolate any individual players, but Blue has a fast, stout, strong striker called up to national team camp and United has a fast, stout, strong defender to match. Both are great players. Any color? The next couple days should be some fun soccer in the Gold flight.
Good day on Saturday for the NJ "G-Men" as both Gottschee and the Gunners won their two games in the Silver flight. It would be great to see them in an al NJ final there this afternoon but that may just be wishful thinking.
Box of chocolates
"(Watch Hockessin win now!)"
I love to have a god laugh at myself! After all my whining about Hockessin being placed in the 2nd flight, it looks like they've made the final there after beating Gottschee Blue!
Shows you what I know!
And congrats to the Gunners who appear to be the only NJ team in a big points flight to make the final!
Seriously, the Gunners did well, but the finals will not be pretty. Then again the Yonkers game before it wasn't pretty either. Those kids are HUGE and a little violent.
All top 5 NJ teams get knocked out in their group stage! ...and October 3 10:13AM...could you be more wrong.
Gunners are the biggest point winners of the weekend for NJ teams!
Looks like they got Auburndale right. But otherwise, not too good.
Can anyone confirm that the Yonkers coach was re carded in the Gottschee game yet refused to leave the field?
True or not, what's the ref supposed to do if that were to happen?
I think either Westfield or SJEB would edge the Gunners for top weekend points honors if either of them win the EDP Premier final.
Meanwhile, in Parsippany, the Crew took the Stallions 1-0 in the final. So they both got at least one competitive match over the weekend.
I know it's their own tournament, but it would be nice to see Parsippany take on better competition more often, That NPL league they own is not very good either.
WHAT? Arlington beat Fewster in the EDP Platinum final by a 6-0 score?
Maybe that's a mistake?
If not, wow! Did half the Fewster team go home after the morning game?
SJEB got to the final over Westfield who stumbled with a draw against Ironbound.
So a win over Philly Copa would probably push SJEB up to #6 in NJ.
Correction, #7 if they win, But a loss leaves them where they are now at #9
Here's something to keep an eye on. GotSoccer is currently showing only 2,400 registered U14 teams nationally. This number had been up around the 4,000 mark for a long time now.
Maybe they're just doing some housekeeping and this total will return to about what it was before the weekend. But if not, it will decrease the values for a number of the flights when this weekends awards are made.
I guess we'll find out by Tuesday or so.
Parsippany did not beat the Stallions 99/00 1-0 as reported on the Parsippany home tournament page. They beat the 99/00 0-0 on PK's. The fact is that they won after two Golden Goal overtimes on PK's. The score was 0-0 with a win on PK's. The Stallions 99/00's played with 10 men for the final 10 minutes of regular time and ten minutes of overtimes. There were literally at least 10 yellow cards handed out throughout the match with a Stallions player collecting two for the red.
Should have kicked him in the a$$. That's what the coach deserved. I have never seen such a classless display by a coach.
How many times in a row is that a 1-0 result in favor of Parsippany over the Stallions? nAt least three?
Are we talking about last spring's state cup match or was that how it played out today? I don't think Stallions had only 10 men last spring so that must be today. How weird!
EBSC had most of the possession and while these two teams usually play close matches, the result does not reflect the stronger team. Two minutes left in the game and the Gotschee forward takes a dive in the penalty box. The referee calls a PK and Gotschee ties the match.
SJEB won! NJ won something! Okay, so it was 4th flight at EDP. But still, good for them! At least Parsippany isn't the only NJ Champ this weekend.
Assuming 1,600 U14 teams didn't drop out of the GotSoccer database over the weekend, here's what I would expect the new NJ Top 10 to look like once the weekend's points are awarded. This might be different if there really are just 2,400 U14 teams registered with GS at this point.
1 / BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99
2 / SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS
3 / EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC
4 / PRINCETON FC BLACK
5 / MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE
6 / NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS
7 / SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99
8 / IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS
9 / PDA ROONEY
10 / TSF ACADEMY
I'm pretty sure 1-0 is the proper way to report a PK win (assuming the score at full time was 0-0). I think they add 1 goal to the winning team's score when reporting it. So of the match was 2-2 at full time, the final result would be reported as 3-2.
Sometimes you see the results of the PK totals recorded which is definitely not the way to do it.
This is an interesting topic. If the coach was re-carded and refused to leave, then I think the referee should have abandoned the match. And if this is correct, the EDP Cup rules say the Tournament Committee will review abandoned games on a case-by-case basis in the section on forfeits.
So maybe Yonkers should have been forced to forfeit the game because the coach refused to leave?
I've only seen wins on PK's reported as goals scored during regulation play or in the case above 0-0. As an example with a bit of irony one can go back to spring 2012 State Cup where Parsippany and the same Stallions played to the same result 0-0. There it is reported as 0-0 with the win of course going to the victor Parsippany. I'm sure that it is probably handled a variety of ways however.
to October 13 4:31PM....
Sounds like sour grapes from a Gottschee parent? Come on. The Yonkers team scored 2 goals and you did not. They’re coached by a professional, celebrity player with a well known name in USA soccer; Winston Buddle father of Edson Buddle national team representative and current pro player. They win and deserve to be congratulated in my open letter to Buddle below. I would not normally mention any individual, but our kids were in awe of who he was and even a parent or two a little smitten and there is not question Winston’s exploits are most deserving of attention.
Dear Winston Buddle,
It was a joy watching you in action today demonstrating the proper values for our 13 year olds in this beautiful game and teaching our impressionable, potential future USA stars…finally..how to win a match and tournament. It was clever showing up with several kids who appeared over age. I visited Barcelona last year and listened to how they switched from choosing the “big” kids years ago to the most skillful and intelligent ones today. I must confess I am totally sick of hearing about “Barca”this and “Barca” that so I applaud your truly all American approach to team selection. It clearly served you well to gain a 2-0 advantage by half. Well played Winston.
At first, I thought your delay tactics were over the top for even a pro match, but then I realized…among 13 year olds in a time shortened 60 minute match with no added time…it was pure genius. I mean the way your large player disrespected the 10yd distance and crossed over the ball to punch the opposing, smaller 13 year old with both hands in the chest, it really got under the opponent’s skin. Then when the annoying referee yellow carded that I liked how your kids simply kicked the settled ball far away to delay the opponent from taking their free kick. I’ve never seen tactics like this before in a youth match. Where do you get your creative ideas?
After all, the other team had scored one back and was obviously threatening to score again which means your Yonkers team would not advance in the tournament. Your measures were effective. I know your player who went to ground with an ankle injury was not just feigning being hurt. I could tell when you went onto the field to his aid. The brilliant part was when you refused to get him medical attention off the field of play and refused to leave even at the request of that referee who really should know better who you are; Edson Buddle’s dad and mentor…a man, a name that is associated with USA Soccer at the highest levels. Did the ref not realize you know your own kids best and can attend to medical injuries on the field? Shame on him. He deserved the profanity laced tirade that followed. You really showed him and the best part is that by the time he finally did pull a red card on you the game was almost over. You won again Winston and, more importantly, showed us all the way to do it! I remember my visit to the Camp Nou museum and that droll list of values “Barca” tries to impart ending with a clear take away line, “We teach and foster sporting values in children and young people.” Thank you, Winston, for not embodying any part of that useless dribble. You are EDP Cup champion and will surely be coach of a top 10 team in the country again and that is what it is all about!
Soccer for Life? I realize that is Millburn but can someone explain what that is all about?
The (former) Milburn coach has had a business interest called "Soccer For Life" for some time now. In the past many Milburn supporters came to matches wearing "Soccer For Life" gear.
So it looks like the coach separated from Milburn after the Spring and formed a new club under the SFL name. And it also looks like some of the key former Milburn players opted not to join him in this move.
I wish you hadn't used his name only for fear that your post might get deleted.
Sounds like a sad day for sportsmanship.
I never saw the ref show a red card to the Yonkers coach. Did this really happen?
Given all of the nonsense written about above is there any color on the Finals against the Gunners? Did anyone see that match. Frankly I'm not surprised that the Gunners were beaten in that final match given that lack of competition leading up to it for them. But was there something more nefarious in that match as well that led to a significant 2-0 win for Yonkers?
Sounds about right for behavior in a Columbus Day tournament. I know we are going to celebrate Columbus Day by going into someone else's house and telling them we live there now.
Looks like it was just some weekend housekeeping as the U14 national team total has now been restored to over 4,000.
Nice touch with the team logos on the backsplash image. Kind of shows that the organizer of this blog is either from SJEB or Princeton Black.
My money is on the blog organizer being from SJEB given the size and placement of their logo!
Thanks for the color.
Whomever they are, the Blog Master here is doing a heck of a job!
And it looks like they]re about to have more work to do on those team logos once the weekend awards are made. Not only will they need to make some adjustments to the order, but they'll also have to swap an old one out for a new Top 10 member.
Anybody got a Westfield crest handy?
I had forgotten that these two teams also squared off at the Maps Cup back in May with Gottschee Blue winning 2-1.
Region 2 guy here: You guys continue to crack me up. We know that you East Coast people hog all of the GotSoccer poitns in the country for yourselves but the fact that you get excited about a third tier team getting points at a tournament is sad. It's more than just points. It's about being good enough to actually be included in the top tier. That should be the goal.
Great Letter. Assuming this is mostly true than absolutely people should be called out for these kinds of antics. Well done.
Hey Region Who Guy! Welcome back to NJ! Did you enjoy the weekend in beautiful Hammonton?
Not a bad showing for your boys at the EDP Cup with a win over BeachSLIDE. But it looks like the other two Region 1 teams were a little too hot to handle, eh?
And you may want to note that two weeks ago the"third tier" champion at EDP beat one of the teams your guys couldn't handle last weekend. Shame your guys didn't get a 3rd tier flighting in Tuckahoe as you just might have had a chance to bring some points back to Ohio.
I love when Region Who Guy comes to visit!
You make my point exactly! We're more interested in playing well and against the top competition than about bringing points home. In order to be the best you have to beat the best. Is that the same Beachslide Team you guys tied by the way? ANd that other Region 2 team you've played this year. 0-3? Yeah we beat them a couple weeks ago as well. Go back and count some more points. We're going to go back to playing good soccer. Hammonton was beautiful by the way. It was a well run tournament overall. Almost as nice as some of the ones we have over here.
What is up with the many bad teams at NJSA in this age group? Why are parents putting their kids in that situation?
I think you've got me tied to the wrong team but that's okay.
And I think you missed my point. The "third tier" at EDP was an extremely competitive one that included teams that can play with the best. So discussion about who won there (and earned points as a result) seems like a reasonable topic for a U14 message board.
"It's about being good enough to actually be included in the top tier. That should be the goal."
You seem to think that playing in the "top" flight is the only goal. Well your boys have done so twice now in Region 1 this year and have a win, a draw and 4 losses to show for it. So maybe a second tier try would be best next time you visit?
Most of us understand that flighting a tournament with so many strong teams is no exact science and that getting the true 8 best in the same group rarely happens. But it's also interesting that the two teams who came from outside Region 1 (and had the fewest points coming in) combined to go home with a win and 5 losses.
But I do love you Region Who Guy!
I should be fair to teams from outside the Region...
Pinecrest (FL) was a pair of games in the top flight at YMS before falling the Patriots Red in the semi-final.
First off this is one of the things I hate about GotSoccer. The team you had 9 months ago isn't usually the same as the one you're playing with today. So the points that you gathered last year should only be used as a guide.
As for Annandale, Fewster did take it to us pretty good and that Arlington team is quality as well but as for the others we had chances to win all of them. Unfortunately our boys only came away with one win and a tie. In all the games though we felt like we belonged. As mentioned in the midwest our gaol is to be among the best and always be improving. We'll leave the points to you guys. If we were put in the third tier we probably would have cancelled going. Its not worth it to us to drive that far regardless of points.
We got off to a rough start this year but the boys are starting to figure it out again. We're still undefeated in our league and hoping to at least get back to regionals again. Believe it or not there are some pretty damn good teams in region 2. Too bad you guys are so far or we'd come play you more. Best of luck this year and we'll probably see you again in the spring.
hmmm .... so unless your boys play in the top tier, there is no other reason to get excited about them playing at all? no, it's not all about points, and learning and developing to be good enough to play in the top tier is definitely what everybody strives to be. But if you're saying that the only thing that's good enough for you is to play in the top tier and never mind any other 'minor' achievements that your boys actually get, then you crack me up - because that is sad.
Annandale wasn't quite as deep as the EDP Cup was this year. But I can assure you that either of the top 2 flights there would have been plenty competitive for you boys. The top 3 flights at EDP all offered competition that would have been worthwhile for you.
There are very good teams in Region 2. Just not as many of them as there are in this part of the country. So my advice is to try not to get too caught up in the flight's "metal" (ex: Platinum, Gold, Silver) when deciding if a Region 1 tournament is worth the drive.
And I also hope you stop by often and keep us up to date on what's happening in Region Who!
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The weekend awards still haven't been posted on GS. But I think the list above has one error as I think Westfield will push TSF out of the 10th spot.
"First off this is one of the things I hate about GotSoccer. The team you had 9 months ago isn't usually the same as the one you're playing with today. "
so maybe then points expiring after a year makes sense ... if it's not the same team 9 months later, then the new team starts from scratch again to make up the points.
hey! maybe GotSoccer knows what it's doing after all!
I know NJSA has formed a number of "partnerships" in the past (Stalions?). But I recently saw a release that announced a new partnership with Cedar Stars Academy. I thought this one was a bit different as it seems to say that they will merger into a newly formed club named New Jersey Cedar Stars Academy (NJCSA).
So does this put Cedar Stars into the USSF Academy ranks?
The guy's comically hypocritical!
He's above the idea of GotSoccer points. Yet he refuses to come east to get beat any team that doesn't have 25,000 of them.
This guy's had a few swigs too many from his "Meade Cup!"
Slight correction by the author: it has been written in English directly, never authored in Catalan before. This story is well known in Barcelona but I felt that it needed to be told to the American audience. To all: drop me a note if you like it (or not).
Albert Folch (albertfolch@gmail.com)
There is a new #1 in NJ; Gottschee Roma...and it looks like either Princeton Black or EBSC would have to not only win state cup where Roma is not playing and SLF is eliminated already, but also EDP league and perhaps even the MAPS Challenge too to catch up by season end. It's possible, but optimistic. Who knows? Maybe Black who sits atop EDP 1st Central now will be the first to trip up the new top dog this weekend and make it happen. A loss by Roma would definitely put them behind the eight ball in league play.
Westfield displaces TSF at #10. it's been a long time since we have not seen TSF on the top 10 list. The Gunners and SJEB move up in the top 10. Congrats to all!
Can't say I can remember TSF out of the Top 10. And is this the first time Westfield has cracked it?
Also a good point about PB or EB catching Gottschee before the year's end. They both have thousands of points still to expire this fall. So PB would need to earn over 8,000 more (or EB would have to come up with almost 9,000) to keep Gottschee from topping the NJ list on New Years Day.
Speaking of the Maps Challenge, this looks to be a much stronger tournament this year than in the past. NJ teams on the applied list include Gottschee, Princeton Black, SFL, and Deptford. And teams from out of state include FC Europa and Pleasant Valley. So the top flight value there could easily be as high as 8,000 points.
My $$$ are on Black.
Both very good teams. Could go either way. Should be a fun one to watch!
MID SEASON REPORT CARD: The following are a combination of points actually earned since Labor Day and expected points to be earned by season end from state cup, leagues etc. excluding the MAPS Challenge.
Team SUBTOTAL
1 EBSC_________________10,001
2 Princeton FC Black_______9,696
3 SJEB___________________9,119
4 Haddonfield______________8,739
5 NJ Stallions Gunners______7,378
6 Marlboro ________________5,697
7 Gottschee_______________4,822
8 NJ Stallions 99/00_________4,679
9 Parsippany_______________3,951
10 Princeton FC Tottenham____3,697
11 Mount Laurel_____________3,272
12 TSF____________________2,166
13 Westfield________________1,477
14 SFL_____________________1,211
15 Ironbound________________893
16 PDA____________________0
Columbus Day seems like a good point to take the temperature of the fall season.
The BEST....
East Brunswick and Princeton Black lead the pack despite a poor Columbus Day weekend for both. Not surprisingly, both added a number of players to their rosters this season and have clearly done consistently well in league and state cup play.
The next three are a little bit of a surprise or let's just say outperfomers on the fall season so far; SJEB, Haddonfield, NJ Stallions Gunners. SJEB did have a strong Columbus Day and is doing well in league play and they are right there with the top two in points earned. The Black Dawgs could be as well. They have not yet earned points, but consistent league and state cup play will bring in roughly 8K and maybe more. Their #20 rank in NJ is the biggest temporary joke in the gotsoccer table despite a poor Columbus Day showing. They are top 10. The most surprising winner for the fall looks like it is going to be the NJ Stallions Gunners. They had a solid Columbus Day and are doing well in league playa s well. All three teams look to be edging out a couple other top 5 teams Marlboro and Gottschee. That leads into...
....the WORST....
Two old powerhouses from previous years are at the bottom; PDA Rooney and SFL. It's funny how quickly the landscape changes at this age. The old Millburn lost a lot of players to PDA and others so it is little surprise they moved the opposite way of EBSC and Black. The same could be said for the Navigators who were among the point leaders from the spring and lost players. Rooney, however, is a surprise! At the start of the season some on this board had them armed with strong layers and among the best in NJ. So far this fall, that couldn't be further from reality. They are the biggest underperformer to date. 2nd on the underperforming list has to be Gottschee Roma. Like Black and EBSC they added a number of players to the roster this season, but have dropped from #1 points leader in the spring season to #7 right in there with Stallions 99/00 who themselves are undefeated in EDP 2nd league play with SJEB and the Gunners above. Roma sits in 6th place in EDP 1st league with a losing record. With an early exit from state cup, Marlboro might also be added to the list. They didn't accomplish much Columbus Day weekend and, like Gottschee, appear to be behind the 3 unexpected outperformers above. However, they are doing better in league play and did deliver on Labor Day so in reality they look okay or maybe a bit better than expected. TSF is probably the better candidate for 3rd worst this fall. They have now dropped out of the top 10 and so far have not earned the points expected for fall.
So where does this leave the rankings picture for end of fall?
1 Gottschee Roma_____________23,080
2 Princeton Black_____________21,672
3 EBSC United____________17,890
4 Marlboro Galaxy____________14,985
5 SJEB______________________14,193
6 Ironbound Navigators_________11,260
7 Haddonfield Black Dawgs___11,142
8 NJ Stallions 99/00_________9,786
9 SFL Titans__________________8,757
10 NJ Stallions Gunners_______8,384
11 PDA Rooney_________________7,582
12 Parsippany Crew______________7,532
13 Westfield Cosmos____________7,503
14 TSF_________________________7,193
15 Mount Laurel__________________6,199
I suppose points reports can be done in a couple of ways. I understand that the totals above reflect the numbers earned since Labor Day. But here's another way to look at this.
Here are the NET point gains/losses for the current Top 10 since the "fall" season started on August 1. And by "net," I mean a combination of both the points teams have earned and those that have expired:
1. BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99 / 6287
2. SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99 / 3274
3. NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS / 2396
4. MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE / 1894
5. WESTFIELD SA FC PREMIER COSMOS / 866
6. SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS / -290
7. IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS / -296
8. EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC / -477
9. PDA ROONEY / -6218
10. PRINCETON FC BLACK / -9465
Note the above doesn't include MAPS Fall Challenge.
Gottschee Roma is still in the pole position, but their total points and their lead are less. With an expected solid 2nd half of the fall by EBSC and Black or even continued poor league play by Gottschee, EBSC and Black could take back the #1 ranking at the MAPS Challenge.
The Gunners look like they are going to nudge back into the top 10. Just to put into perspective what this means...at fall season start, EBSC and the Gunners looked like they could slide down the rankings precipitously. A bad fall put EBSC out of the top 10 and the Gunners were a dead, stinking carcass on the side of the road. EBSC has secured their place yet again in the top 3 and now, even more amazingly, the Gunners look to be pulling off a rebirth from roadkill to a top 10 team again. No doubt both coaches should be up for "coach of the season" if any such award existed. Both have actually re-invented their teams a couple times now so no matter what comments have been made in the past years on these forums it is hard to argue they are among the best at the age group.
SJEB looks like they could break into the top 5 after a good Columbus Day weekend and a poor showing by Haddonfield made it a little bit harder for the Black Dawgs to do the same. Ironbound, SFL and PDA Rooney should still hanging around top 10 by winter despite lackluster fall seasons. Westfield's top 10 spot looks to be only temporary and will fall to #13 while TSF will likely stay out of the top 10. Princeton FC Tottenham should probably have been added to the BEST fall list above because they could slide right into the #15 spot as could Deptford. It's that close.
And along this same line, the biggest drops in total points since the boys turned U14 are:
1 . PRINCETON FC BLACK / -9465
2 . HADDONFIELD SC BLACK DAWGS / -6328
3 . PDA ROONEY / -6218
4 . TSF ACADEMY / -2655
5 . MORRIS UNITED STA CELTIC / -2392
6 . DEPTFORD SDS DEPTFORD DRAGONS / -1624
7 . PRINCETON SA PREMIER 99/00 ORANGE / -729
8 . EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC / -477
9 . MOUNT OLIVE PREMIER EVERTON / -422
10 . IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS / -296
11 . SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS / -290
It seems inevitable that SFL will be much higher up this list by the end of the fall season.
I don't see EBSC on the applied list for the MAPS Challenge. But I suppose that could change.
"Their #20 rank in NJ is the biggest temporary joke in the gotsoccer table despite a poor Columbus Day showing. They are top 10."
I'd agree that the Black Dawgs are one of the 10 best in the state when all their players are on board. But they didn't play much in the past two spring seasons and it's almost impossible to maintain a high point total without a full year schedule.
That's useful to see how rankings will change. You may as well look at the rankings. See projected fall end below.
The important element your NET doesn't capture is the strength of teams this fall. It is clouded by last fall and even spring and my goal is to develop a report card for fall. A lot of teams changed a lot this fall!
Two extreme examples are Gottschee Roma at the top of your list and Haddonfield Black Dawgs not even on your list. Gottschee tops your list reflecting less the points they earned this fall and more the fact they have no points from fall last year to net against. This will keep them close to #1 rank, but this fall looks a little shaky. It is hard to argue they are playing like the #1 team as they haven't exactly been kicking butt and taking names.
Haddonfield, on the other hand, is #20 rank and had to net off a lot of last year's points, but they are taking names&butts this fall including Gottschee's. They're in contention to win state cup and their league. None of those points are booked yet (part of it already earned) and since my measure includes recent past and looks forward to the 2nd half of fall it captures those points. It is hard to paint a scenario where BDs will get less than 5-6K points and they could get over 10K. They have clearly had a stellar fall season so far. Neither measure is wrong. They just measure different things.
If I run my measure from 8/1 rather than Labor Day the numbers change a bit, but the report basically tells the same story.
;I think you mean to say, "it is hard to argue they are NOT among the best coaches at the age group." You seem to be saying they are among the best.
"Neither measure is wrong. They just measure different things."
I agree with this.
And I agree with most of your post Labor Day assessment. But GS works on a one year expiration basis so, from a points/rankings perspective, I find the net numbers to be relevant if only because top teams are challenged with maintaining high totals as opposed to building from scratch. So winning back the 5,000 points that just expired is more a case of maintenance than progress. If you're a "top team" then you're have to keep piling on points regularly as they continually keep leaking out from the bottom of your bag.
Here's what I have on pending point expirations through the end of 2013. It would be interesting to see if you have similar numbers for this too.
1 . SOCCER FOR LIFE SC TITANS / -11607
2 . NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY GUNNERS / -8298
3 . EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC / -6273
4 . PRINCETON FC BLACK / -3785
5 . MARLBORO SA GALAXY BLUE / -3073
6 . SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '99 / -2858
7 . TSF ACADEMY / -2778
8 . PDA ROONEY / -2612
9 . MORRIS UNITED STA CELTIC / -2197
10 . PRINCETON SA PREMIER 99/00 ORANGE / -2172
11 . HADDONFIELD SC BLACK DAWGS / -1802
12 PARSIPPANY SC CREW / -1734
13 MOUNT LAUREL UNITED MLU GLADIATORS / -1715
14 WESTFIELD SA FC PREMIER COSMOS / -1320
15 VISTULA FC VISTULA DRAGONS / -1152
16 IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS / -1113
17 MOUNT OLIVE PREMIER EVERTON / -547
18 BSM GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99 / -470
19 DEPTFORD SDS DEPTFORD DRAGONS / -300
20 PDA JINKY / -292
21 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 99/00 BOYS / -276
"Anybody got a Westfield crest handy?"
I see the adjustments have already been made at the top of the page. The BLOG MONSTER here is pretty impressive!
I agree that ESBC deserves it's kudos but I'm just not sure the Gunners recent EDP Cup point addition is all that impressive. Beating the Black Dawgs 2-1 was significant to a degree but beating the now downtrodden DUSC 1-0 was hardly an accomplishment, if anything it looks a bit weak. Then only tying Leighigh and getting served by Yonkers...well you decide. Then look further at their Fall record and it's equally unimpressive. Let's see how they continue to stack up against true top 10 teams across the region before Gunners are put in the same league as EBSC. In fact wasn't it EBSC that knocked the Gunners out of State Cup just several weeks ago 3-0.
EDP CUP 3rd Flight Gunners Results
10/13/2013 YONKERS UNITED GOLDEN TOUCH (NYE) 0-2
10/13/2013 LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 99 BOYS (PAE) 0-0
10/12/2013 DOWNTOWN UNITED SC DUSC SAO PAULO (NYE) 1-0
10/12/2013 HADDONFIELD SC BLACK DAWGS (NJ) 2-1
EBSC didn't do all that at the recent EDP Cup either although they competed in a higher flight. I just don't get the rave above.
What? Okay that is a little harsh for a team that just moved to #1. What list will they go on when they one day start falling in the rankings? Gotta' disagree with that one.
Okay anti-Gunner man...how is their fall record unimpressive so far? They are undefeated in EDP and were finalists at EDP Cup. I hardly call a 2-0 loss to a top 10 team in the country "getting served". Let's see how their wins stack up to the #1 team. ...only tying LVU? #1 lost to LVU. Gunners beat the black Dawgs and #1 lost. Gunners beat Danubia earlier in the fall 5-0 and the #1 team only pulled off a 5-2 win.
I'm not saying Gunners are #1 or even top 3 like EBSC. That's not the comparison. They started from a much lower point and to get into the top 10 would be an awesome achievement. Gunners face the tougher half of their schedule in the 2nd half so I'll save the raves until the end, but so far they are off to a much better start than might have been expected.
Not anti-Gunner. Just don't see how their "okay" performance over 45 days justifies their coach as being coach of the year. Unless of course the post above was written by that coach or that coaches manager. But if you see it differently that's ok. Not a slam just an observation.
EBSC beats Yonkers Golden Touch 3-0 in an EDP crossover match.
GOOD!
Don't think if I'd enjoy hearing about any other team taking a beating as much!
BIG GAMES TODAY.
Princeton Black vs. Gottschee Roma
SJEB vs NJ Stallions 99/00
Whatever happened to TSF?
Not an anti-Gunner guy either. But I think they were fortunate with their EDP Cup draw too.
And unless they can repeat the kind Thanksgiving point fiesta they enjoyed last year (beating younger teams at the Lower Merion tournament) , I can't see how they cab stick in the top 10 a month from now.
...and now that Yonkers just lost to EBSC 3-0 yesterday it makes the Gunners 2-0 loss to Yonkers that much more significant.
I don't see how you conclude anything from the 3-0 match? That was a non-tournament crossover game that probably did not include guests and had no implications on standings. Do you also conclude that EBSC can defeat Dix Hills, NYSC and Gottschee Roma today? You would have to by making such sketchy comparisons. I Doubt it!
The Gunners won again today and remain undefeated in league play anti-Gunner guy!
Wow, so personal Gunner guy, coach, manager, parent? Either way it's just an observation about the coach being named coach of the year after 45 days. Time will always tell and the cream will always rise to the top. I'm sure the Gunners will do just fine and maybe even more than that, end at the top. BTW, I've only written the first post so I'm assuming there are at least a couple of others that might agree with my original observation. Who did the Gunners beat today? Can't find them listed anywhere? Do tell Gunner guy.
While Black was playing a scoreless draw with Gottschee today, the Black Dawgs beat Rooney 1-0 to take over top spot in the EDP Central Division.
And in the Central 2nd Division SJEB cushioned their lead with a 2-0 win over Stallions Boys.
Yeah, the Gunner guy seems pretty touchy these days.
With a draw and a 1-0 win over powerhouses like Vistula and the Montgomery Travelers accounting for half of their the 2nd division points, I wouldn't be touting their undefeated league play quite so much.
So ease up Gunner guy. They'll still be in the Top 20 by the season's end.
Disappointing day for Gottschee. They needed a win and bossed the game the whole way through. But they couldn't take advantage of the chances they created. I'm not saying they got a ton of them as Princeton Black fought hard. But there were a couple that looked like sure things but didn't happen.
Princeton supporters were shouting for the ref to bow the final whistle by the end as Gottschee had switched to a back 3 to get another attacker up the field and keep the pressure on.
Gottschee were the better team so the draw had to be a disappointment for them. I know the Princeton supporters were very happy to get a point out of it.
HUH? SJEB lost 2-0. Stallions 99/00 move to a 2nd place tie with their Stallions club mates, SJEB holds onto 1st pace in EDp 2nd. Black lost their spot in 1st because the only team to score in the EDP 1st Central today was Haddonfield who move into 1st place. Should be an interesting match-up next Saturday.
Bossing? 0-0. That's an oxymoron.
Keeping the ball in the opponent's half of the field for about 3/4 of the game is "bossing" it to me, While games like this occasionally end up in scoreless draws, that's usually not the case.
And sorry for my mistake on the Stallions/SJEB result.
"They started from a much lower point and to get into the top 10 would be an awesome achievement."
Actually, they started the season in the top 10. And if they can stay there by the end of the fall it will be an "awesome achievement."
Nj Stallion Gunners played Parsippsny over the weekend. Gunners won 2-1.
I thought parsipanny was an outstanding team and would easily be in top 5 of state if they were about such crap points. They are tough, they are skillful and boy are they quick. Parsipanny will beat any team in state.
For the NJ Stallions gunners, Parsippsny is going to super Y nationals. Gunners beat them 2-1 and looked very good by doing it. Also as I was watching in sideline, I overheard a few gunner parents talking with the Parsippsny parents about how both stallions teams will be combining teams in fall. That is going to be a hell of a team to beat. Not only the best players from both teams will obviously be on the A team but can only imagine how's my players outside will look to tryout.
Anyways- what a game last night and kudos to both teams for really showing some talent.
Wow- a lot of gunner talk recently. My son once played for them and I recently watched them at the EDP cup and was amazed. Not by skill-
For those who do not know- Gunners Stallions are based out Montclair. What I mean by that, 9 out of their 15 players GO TO THE SAME SCHOOL - 11 out of 15 live in MONTCLAIR NJ. Your missing the big picture with this team and what that coach has done.
I will be the first to admit the coach is intense and can be a complete a$$. But if you really look what he has done with a town team, its pretty impressive. He has had those 10 Montclair kids since the team has been 7-8 years old and has developed little white American kids to play at the highest level the state and region has to offer.
East Brunswick? Roma? TsF? Princeton Black? PDA?
All these teams have recruited the heck out of their teams and might have 3-4 kids from their original rosters. Gunners have 10.
I know we can get ahead of ourselves with the rankings, but look who is a teally ranked high and then ask why. IT'S NOT THE COACHING I can tell you that. If recruiting a brand new team each year is what this is about then gunners have it wrong. But I think we all know its not.
Just my two cents for playing with the Galacticos/Gunners for a few years.
Thanks Coach.
Me thinks the Gunners P.R. is out in force.
Parsippany parent here. Thanks for the compliment but get real. It was a scrimmage. No excuses but we hardly put our best lines out there. You're a good team but nothing like what we've played against the other Stallions team 99/00. That was real tough, but we beat them three times.
I really hate "me thinks." Maybe it's just me but I really hate it.
Off hand I'd say at least 8 or 10 or the Gottschee Roma players have been there for a long time as well. At least as far back as when the Gunners and Roma were both Match Fit teams.
Get real. 0-0 means you did not win and you did not even score.
One thing is for sure. That is NOT a Parsippany parent. But the point is taken. Combining these two is kind of like the Jets putting together Sanchez and Tebow. I expect you mean combine at the end of THIS fall. Why wait until next fall? What good player will sit around for almost a full year in hopes of that?
I'll bet Montclair will have one hell of a HS team in a couple years. Their PR is out in force, but it is an interesting point about them all learning together since 7-8yrs old rather than just assembling a good team w/o chemistry. That was really the point of the book For the Love of the Ball mentioned above comparing Barca to Real Madrid and ManU. Pretty good book by the way, but I think the author has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about the owners of Real Madrid and Manu. After all, those evil, short term focused corporate owners at ManU have managed to collect almost as many trophies as Barca w/o integrating their youth players as much.
Sorry. I digressed a little. How do you know IT'S NOT THE COACHING? It could be both. Every team adds new players. That is normal. Not changing is more unusual. What happens if Stallions teams combine like someone suggested above? Wouldn't that just be the same as recruiting?
Boy, you are really astute!
Can you shed some of your revolutionary thought on what a 1-1 score line means? And perhaps some of the advanced readers here might be able to comprehend your complex views on a 2-2 game.
Your failure to understand that a score line doesn't always present an accurate picture of how teams played in a game says a lot about your understanding.
Have the last word if you like, You're too dumb to chastise any further.
I'm not sure why I should completely discount the possibility that the 3:35 post was not a Parsippany parent.
Actually, staying in the top ten would be an excellent achievement. The Gunners lose a lot of points this fall and have to do very well just to make that up.
To October 22 8:10AM "Boy you really are astute..."
A 2-2 score suggests you are not better than the other team, but can score. 0-0 means you can't even score. 3-0 is "bossing" a game.
Get real and stop bragging about "bossing" a game when you didn't win and you didn't even score. It's either delusional or dumb. If you really did "boss" the ball then why can't your team turn that into goals? You are what your record says you are.
With the Black Dawgs already holding semi-final (at east) State Cup points in their bag, the Gunners will probably need to outpoint either Rooney by almost 3,300, SFL by 2,600 or Westfield by 2,250 before the fall ends if they are to be in the top 10 come Xmas. And they'll probably have to beat their club mates in EDP play as well.
Not impossible, but not easy either.
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Tell me again what your record is in EDP this fall? Oh yeah. That's right. It is the other team you "bossed" that is still undefeated.
"You're too dumb to chastise any further."
"You're too dumb to chastise any further."
yeah wasn't princeton black a combination of two teams as well? and i think another team, but can't recall correctly.
so if princeton black is combination of two teams, then what is that?
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